tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post3589554691656525962..comments2023-10-24T10:23:42.618+02:00Comments on palingates: "Going Rogue": Sarah Palin is "thankful for the opportunity to write the truth" / Plus: A little lesson in psychology - UPDATE: Andrew Sullivanreginahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04311352941909440862noreply@blogger.comBlogger130125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post-43770398306706328812009-11-21T21:46:41.250+01:002009-11-21T21:46:41.250+01:00If Sarah Palin is such a loser then why is Alaska ...If Sarah Palin is such a loser then why is Alaska in such good shape? This sight is one of the dumbest things I have ever stumbled on. And the explanation for Obama....is??????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post-26686751546059503792009-11-20T18:58:19.026+01:002009-11-20T18:58:19.026+01:00May I ask her supporters. Why does Sarah need your...May I ask her supporters. Why does Sarah need your 100 dollars a month, while you live on rice dishes?<br /><br />She looks very well off from what I can see. A new chateau, Plenty of cash.<br /><br />I can't understand this denial of your childrens well being as to food for her, what???????<br /><br />More expensive WIGS?lillynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post-26176934039352274782009-11-20T11:08:04.359+01:002009-11-20T11:08:04.359+01:00Valley KW
Thanks a lot for your comments - I will...Valley KW<br /><br />Thanks a lot for your comments - I will wait patiently! ;-)Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06342444888520052108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post-90247323374084448162009-11-20T08:52:25.327+01:002009-11-20T08:52:25.327+01:00AK Sandhills:
Regarding the Newsweek cover, I am s...AK Sandhills:<br />Regarding the Newsweek cover, I am simply astounded at Palin's cognitive dissonance regarding the cover that she herself posed for. She should certainly be aware that it is up to HER to control her own image. It is certainly convenient to pose as a patriotic fitness buff cheerleader when it suits her purposes and then cry sexism when the same image is used in a different context.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post-21067091785751383702009-11-20T05:48:14.223+01:002009-11-20T05:48:14.223+01:00Ella, as one of the folks here who has had the mis...Ella, as one of the folks here who has had the misfortune of watching NPD up close, my advice is, don't hold your breath. Whether you call it mental illness or not, full-blown NPD is deeply, stunningly pathological. People will look you in the eye and tell you with all apparent sincerity that the sky is green. And as the experts have said, there is no cure, and I don't believe people like this ever get to the point where they think they <i>need</i> to be cured. In Scarah's case, she won't ever go away because the die-hard nut-case believers won't ever go away, or be dissuaded. More possible that she will keep talking, keep sounding like a delusional and vindictive idiot, and the Republican/Conservative power base will distance themselves, maybe do what they can to bring her down. Actually I think there's no question we're on that road already; the question is, how far can it take us.<br />AnotherAnonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post-32466803837045696462009-11-20T05:42:49.662+01:002009-11-20T05:42:49.662+01:00""""Mr. Sullivan. If you had p...""""Mr. Sullivan. If you had proof that (for whatever reason) you cannot publish, you nevertheless have an unqualified responsibility to divulge that constraint to your readers.""""<br /><br />If he had proof and he didn't want to publish it, there is no other way to make certain it got into the right hands and the fraud was exposed?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post-86295264851994253592009-11-20T05:29:50.262+01:002009-11-20T05:29:50.262+01:00Deconstructing Andrew Sullivan:
As a long-time Tr...Deconstructing Andrew Sullivan:<br /><br />As a long-time Trig Truther (as well as a loyal reader of "The Daily Dish"), I was excited yesterday afternoon to see that Andrew Sullivan and his staff had taken the day off to focus exclusively on an examination of Palin's lies and the "possibility..of..a huge scandal." Visiting the Dish again yesterday evening, I was electrified to read that Sullivan would be "up half the night trying to write a post on the great mystery of the stories about Trig, stories that have bedeviled the blogosphere and many others for months."<br /><br />Wow, I thought, perhaps someone had finally provided Sullivan with solid, insider details of the fraud that is Palin's "bizarre pregnancy/labor story." While his "Update" post noted that he didn't have "proof," he stated that he did have "a much more nuanced and detailed narrative," and that what was previously "obscure" had been illuminated. "Stay tuned," posted Sullivan. You betcha!<br /><br />I know many of you share the shock I felt when, checking the Dish this afternoon, I found post after post that had nothing whatsoever to do with yesterday's tantalizing teases. In fact, there were <b>27</b> posts on Thursday before Sullivan finally published his profoundly disappointing (and, IMO, disingenuous) "Deconstructing Sarah, Ctd" entry at 5:11 pm EST.<br /><br />What happened, Mr. Sullivan? Did your whistleblower flake out? Did The Atlantic's lawyers issue a gag order? God forbid, did one of Palin's fanatical minions threaten your life or your family?<br /><br />Why has this matter suddenly become so "dizzying"? Why did you and your crew need to go dark so you could simply reiterate what you've been saying for a year (that you can't prove what you sense is the truth about the Trig birth fraud)?<br /><br />You say you "thought there might be some new facts in here." I'm sorry, but I just don't believe you. No one who's followed Palin so closely would ever imagine that her book would contain any "facts" at all, let alone new ones. All I can conclude from this fiasco is that you were expecting to be able to publish "external evidence" that abruptly slipped from your grasp. Your post is casuistry.<br /><br />Don't assert <b>today</b> that "if I can't disprove her accounts of things only she and her family can know about, I should shut up." You could have said that a year ago.<br /><br />Palin is beyond dangerous. Under certain (unlikely but possible) conditions, she could become the president of the United States. Her multifarious deceits -- preeminently her manifestly implausible tale about Trig -- must be exposed. None of us "still have plenty of time," Mr. Sullivan. If you had proof that (for whatever reason) you cannot publish, you nevertheless have an unqualified responsibility to divulge that constraint to your readers.VNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post-89028596593767636162009-11-20T04:57:18.040+01:002009-11-20T04:57:18.040+01:00@4:55 - I think this is very interesting info you&...@4:55 - I think this is very interesting info you've shared. My husband tells me almost every day that the #1 thing promoted online are conspiracy theories.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post-9807366664707943252009-11-20T04:55:07.418+01:002009-11-20T04:55:07.418+01:00Anon @2:06 again, listen, I joined the corporate w...Anon @2:06 again, listen, I joined the corporate world, so everyone is an employee to me. I don't want to give the impression I don't have the highest regard for military personnel. I wished I had joined the military back when I was young. I would have made it a career and I tell that to all the young folks. <br /><br />------ <br /><br />Anyway, the Anti-Defamation League issued a report today looking at the various sources that have given rise to a climate of anti-government fervor in the United States. <br /><br />"·Conspiracy Theories: One of the most disturbing trends in the rise of anti-government sentiment has been the resurrection and proliferation of conspiracy theories alleging dark, violent designs on the part of the federal government to "declare martial law" and end democratic government, to confiscate firearms from American citizens and to build hundreds of concentration camps to house "dissidents." These theories have spread far and wide on social-networking sites.<br /><br />"·The Resurgence of the Militia Movement: The rise of anti-government sentiment has paralleled a resurgence of the militia movement, an anti-government extremist movement that has a long history of criminal activity and violence. Within the past two years, the movement has almost quadrupled in size, growing to more than 200 groups in the United States. It is the most receptive audience for the extreme anti-government conspiracy theories and their radicalizing potential.<br /><br />...<br /><br />"· Media Influence: Some segments of the mainstream media have played a surprisingly active role in generating anti-government sentiment. Though a number of media figures and commentators have taken part, the media personality who has played the most active role has been radio and television host Glenn Beck, who along with many of his guests have made a habit of demonizing the Obama administration and promoting conspiracy theories about it."<br /><br />http://www.adl.org/PresRele/Extremism_72/5655_72.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post-73265707782253669532009-11-20T04:47:30.534+01:002009-11-20T04:47:30.534+01:00Thank you, ValleyKW for the information. It will ...Thank you, ValleyKW for the information. It will take more people like you to out this woman. <br /><br />From her introduction by McCain, I have felt the woman was a fraud. Years of watching people and listening to people to determine their honesty, I have felt Sarah lies. Sometimes, it is not what she says, but what she doesn't say that bothers me.<br /><br />Her inability to show real maternal instincts toward her children bothers me. Since the resignation, her eyes are dull and I would guess she might be medicated. <br /><br />In March, I had a premonition about Sarah and so far two of the four things have happened. While I hope the other two incidents don't happen for the sake of an innocent person, I believe the woman has a severe problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post-12900592907472738922009-11-20T03:58:41.471+01:002009-11-20T03:58:41.471+01:0003:46, I will try to do better on the links. I am ...03:46, I will try to do better on the links. I am not good at embedding, but I will try to remember to put in the link so that you can cut and paste it in. That's what I usually do when somebody pastes in a web address.<br /><br />This is the address for the story where Sullivan discusses his most recent "deconstruction" of Sarah, and the religious nature of her narrative to her fans:<br />http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/11/deconstructing-sarah-ctd-2.html<br /><br />He writes enough interesting stuff that I often just go to his main page with all the posts for the day. That is at <br />http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/ArmchairJanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06227611891127796064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post-24931153288209713402009-11-20T03:51:28.873+01:002009-11-20T03:51:28.873+01:00@3:46 - did you read Patrick's post? The link ...@3:46 - did you read Patrick's post? The link is there already.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post-38492554882409857642009-11-20T03:46:53.881+01:002009-11-20T03:46:53.881+01:00Can I please ask all of you...if you are talking a...Can I please ask all of you...if you are talking about a link such as Andrew sullivan, can you please Line it somehow either by embedding the link or just posting? Thanx! :D<br />Makes it easier for everyone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post-89300232165446733292009-11-20T03:30:27.636+01:002009-11-20T03:30:27.636+01:00She is sooooo photoshopped in that picture.She is sooooo photoshopped in that picture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post-51510159271633242722009-11-20T03:25:37.891+01:002009-11-20T03:25:37.891+01:00Palin went along with the Runner's World sexis...Palin went along with the Runner's World sexist cover, so why not Newsweek. too? I was sickened by her disregard of the flag. She has been using sexism so long it hardly matters. Her disrespect for the flag, our President, the Commander in Chief and those things trouble me more. <br /><br />The RW cover was said to be cheesy, she reads the blogs and is repeating what she heard about the first cover. I hope she can see how tacky she looks to others with that second cover.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post-14746662181940208452009-11-20T03:23:39.515+01:002009-11-20T03:23:39.515+01:00@3:10 - Those who monitor the pro-Palin site comme...@3:10 - Those who monitor the pro-Palin site comments on a regular basis can probably tell you all the different quotes they've read about folks sacrificing their own budgets to give to Palin. <br /><br />@Armchair Jane, thanks for your reflections. I love your posts. They are always so measured and well-written. I will call Ft. Bragg tomorrow. <br /><br />I have struggled for so long to understand how Palin's supporters disregard facts and still "believe" in her. They won't care, for example, that she doesn't know Iraq from Iran. <br /><br />But today, after reading Sullivan, a light bulb has gone off for me. She is their proxy "warrior-Mary" maternal figure. In the same way that a "macho Jesus" has been bizarrely constructed in some versions of Chrisitianity, so Palin now functions as a Mary stand-in. The "wonderbirth" story is part of that. <br /><br />All the facts in the world won't matter to these people. Look how they blame Barnes & Noble when Sarah decided to stop signing books in Grand Rapids! <br /><br />No, facts will not convince them of her lack of value. It is a religious argument to them. I feel better prepared knowing that. <br /><br />Remember how McCain-Palin supporters made fun of Obama supporters and referred to him as "The One"? I could never get that. It is THEIR religious projection; they bought into a religious construction of the 2008 Elections.Anon 01:46noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post-12426575432314328262009-11-20T03:20:46.493+01:002009-11-20T03:20:46.493+01:00Anonymous at 21:43
I am certainly not going to com...Anonymous at 21:43<br />I am certainly not going to come right out and say that you are lying...but I can't help but wonder in what context you think that it's "common knowledge" in Wasilla that Track isn't Todd's? I'm a lifelong Alaskan- Anchorage born and bred, Valley native of 20+ years by marriage. Because Sarah's first three children and my own were semi-close in age, she and I traveled in the same circles in terms of school, kids' sports activities, etc. Naturally, as Sarah got on everyone's b*tch list pretty fast (anyone recall the time she showed up at a bake sale with not one hair out of place, showing us up in our mom jeans and ratty shoes... outrageously and blithely claiming several of the best selling items as her own creations despite her not having brought so much as a tictac) she became the subject of gossip and rumor among the other moms. <br /><br />For a period of several years, the question of affairs kept coming up over and over. It was routine for some to lean in and whisper "WELL, <b>I</b> heard Sarah..." which would be followed by any number of salacious rumors! One thing that persisted was the rumor that Sarah was bed-hopping just prior to her and Todd's "elopement"- more on THAT later...anyway, I heard a number of versions of the story but all included Sarah panicking when she found out she was pregnant; not so much because she hadn't been planning on it, but because she didn't know who the father was.<br />The story I heard was this: Sarah did know who the other father(s) were, but that Todd was a much more suitable pick in terms of being husband/father material.<br /><br />Todd had been feeling her lack of enthusiasm for the relationship and when she approached him saying she was "so in love" with him and just HAD to marry him right NOW, let's elope...he was thrilled. The underlying reason for her sudden, desperate show of "love"...was twofold, legend goes: Todd, as mentioned, was much better husband and provider material than the other possibility(ies)...and if the baby turned out NOT to be Todd's, she hoped he'd view a divorce as too humiliating so soon after marrying to really consider it.<br /><br />Here is the wrap up of the story, nearly identical no matter when and from whom I heard it: apparently from the moment of Track's birth, Sarah WAS sure he was Todd's. Newborn photos off Todd and Track side by side could have passed for twins, and by the time Track was six months old, his eyes had turned the exact same blue-green of Todd's. <br /><br />Even if I wrote all that off as gossip, having seen Todd 15-20 years ago and seeing Track NOW...I would not think twice about believing they are genetically father and son...Track really does resemble Todd at around the same age, before Todd's face filled out more and lost some of those youthful angles.<br /><br />My point in telling all that wasn't to support or not support anyone's particular theory about Track's parentage. It was to point out that for a long, long time here in the valley, rumors persisted that painted Sarah as someone who would enter into a sham marriage to avoid being exposed as the loose-moraled person she was. Not that that surprises anyone.<br /><br />Anon, I hope I didn't offend you...I just thought your "common knowledge" statement should be considered only part of the story as the rumors I mentioned were told and retold over and over WITHOUT any significant changes, across multiple years and by multiple people...and that leads me to think there is truth to those rumors.<br /><br /><br />Patrick, I am still planning to sit down and email you this weekend! Although my information regarding Sarah is anecdotal and probably of no consequence to any "gates"...it is still going to feel great to purge my brain of twenty years of putrid Palin memories!Valley KWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post-1899612670091457432009-11-20T03:08:03.591+01:002009-11-20T03:08:03.591+01:00So many interesting comments on several tracks tha...So many interesting comments on several tracks that it is hard to keep up!<br /><br />@anon 02:16, I really do think the day off to digest the book was Sullivan's decision, but either way, I agree that he is not letting it go. I think he said as much, and he continued to post real slams on Palin all day long :-)<br /><br />Anon 01:46, I think it is a very good point that Palin's followers see her in mythological terms. Sullivan does seem to be on to this, and who knows, he may come up with some ways to deconstruct the myth. I do think Sarah made a big mistake losing so much weight and by having whatever the "work" she had done. She looks much older now. I think that by getting so thin and having those 'updates' that made her face look so similar to Barbara Walters - well let's just say that the new look is a lot less "fertile" than her old one.<br /><br />@Reesie, IMO, besides the superficial sexism of the cover, there is so much more there that is telling about her image and appeal: Palin has her hair done in a style that looks more like middle or high school, and she's posing like a cheerleader or pageant queen. She's holding those blackberries. She's got the service flag on the window behind her - and she moves that flag all over the house so as to get it in as many photos as possible. She's got the flag there, but is not even treating it respectfully. The Alaskan scenery is visible through the window so we're reminded of what a frontier gal Sarah is.<br /><br />She complains that a man would not be put on the cover in his shorts. "It's cheesy", Palin says about Newsweek having made the decision to use that image on the cover. How about the image itself is cheesy??? Palin dolled up to look like a schoolgirl or cheerleader and posing appropriately. So she's young and fertile - check! Service flag in window: she loves and supports the military! And she's a mom of a soldier! Blackberries in hand, she is so capable and busy she needs two of them - the woman who can do it all and still look feminine! The flag - Sarah is above all a patriot!! Even though many people would find that use of the flag very inappopriate... I am guessing some fans of Sarah who think that flag is just fine in this pic would have a completely different reaction if it were Hillary Clinton, or imagine if it were Michelle Obama leaning on it?! I am sure that if either of those women were leaning on the flag that way that we would never hear the end of it. Instead the discussion in the media has been focused nearly entirely on the fact that Palin is in shorts and looking "sexy". My opinion is that this photo is a good visual that encapsulates the myth of Palin as fertility goddess/mother protector of our country and military and queen of the Alaskan frontier. I really think nobody else in the country could pull off posing for this photo, and have the right wing complain only about the "sexism" but not about the use of the flag as a prop or the choice to do the photo in the first place.ArmchairJanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06227611891127796064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post-57762771328225227172009-11-20T03:00:54.755+01:002009-11-20T03:00:54.755+01:00The Army is allowing Sarah Palin to politically gr...The Army is allowing Sarah Palin to politically grandstand but they will not allow the press to see her do it. Did they fall down the rabbit hole? Up is down? I don't trust that spokesman McCollum. He knows SPalin is the grand stander. <br /><br />SPalin babbles trying to be policy oriented with Limbaugh and Hannity. She is a tragic disaster. She is not who writes the carp on that FB. Does the Army get that? <br />Her symbolism is her statement without words and she says she is anti-Commander in Chief. She speaks to a fringe group that gets her code talk. She does not have to open her mouth because her face is all it takes to communicate to the religious extremists in the military, she doesn't have to say a word against our President, she exudes that vibe. Can't the security people clue the Army in on the fact of the rise in death threats? It makes no sense how someone with that much grandstanding in her bones and is so outspoken against the Commander in Chief would be allowed near a U.S. military base. <br /><br /> She is THE SYMBOL for many that know what her message is. If the Army is going to allow her without press they need to explain a few things. <br /><b>BAN THE GRAND STANDER! NOT THE PRESS!</b><br /><br />Thank you Ella: Fort Bragg Public Affairs Office: <b>910-907-5290</b> - Please write it down.BAN THE GRAND STANDER!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post-64374514395679646492009-11-20T02:46:04.754+01:002009-11-20T02:46:04.754+01:00One more point on the Sherry-Bristol thing: guys h...One more point on the Sherry-Bristol thing: guys have been known to be attracted to girls who take after dear old Mum. Doesn't prove a thing, of course, just sayin'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post-88111896794919800682009-11-20T02:39:12.430+01:002009-11-20T02:39:12.430+01:00anon@2:16 says: "wv is drali, as in d'rai...anon@2:16 says: "wv is drali, as in d'rail?"<br />No - it is Dr. ali - as in Dr. Alibi.<br /><br />It is becoming obvious to rational observers that SP is delusional. Mentally disturbed, possibly mentally ill. I look forward to the day when she is off the stage, cannot harm others, cannot incite violence - that is the day I will be able to feel compassion for her.ellanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post-27960882727690596342009-11-20T02:31:24.961+01:002009-11-20T02:31:24.961+01:00P.S. When Palin's supporters willingly sacrifi...P.S. When Palin's supporters willingly sacrifice their own food budget to donate to SarahPAC, they are "tithing" to her as a spiritual figure--not as a politician.Anon 01:46noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post-90640284600629084542009-11-20T02:27:58.274+01:002009-11-20T02:27:58.274+01:00This issue with banning press coverage from the Fo...This issue with banning press coverage from the Fort Bragg "book tour" visit really disturbs me. If the military is worried this will turn into a partisan event, then they should ban the event, not the press. <br /><br />The press is also being kept out of the College of the Ozarks event. That event is at least held at a private college, I believe.<br /><br />But for a military base to ban the press yet let Palin in for this book tour really disturbs me. I feel like they are SURE there will be partisan activity against the CIC aand they just want to keep the public from seeing it. If they think there will be partisan activity, DON'T ALLOW THE EVENT!<br /><br />We already know Palin likes to keep the media out of her events unless they are ones where she expects to get to show herself off. If she really doesn't get to speak, she's probably not all that thrilled, since she'll only have to sign more books. I find myself skeptical that they will really stop her from giving a speech.<br /><br />I'll certainly be calling. Might call some other folks too, like those in Congress on the appropriate committees with some oversight over the military.<br /><br />The military needs to clean up its act. I am worried about the infiltration of the dominionists into our armed forces and the evangelizing that has been allowed unchecked for years.ArmchairJanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06227611891127796064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post-66892131508982073062009-11-20T02:19:53.154+01:002009-11-20T02:19:53.154+01:00y'all don't worry too much about sullivan....y'all don't worry too much about sullivan.<br /><br />I suspect that he is overwhelmed at her audacity and insanity, and probably just needs some time to digest it all. <br /><br />he'll call her out on her lies, don't worry.emrysanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56121788883344869.post-67711779744349305512009-11-20T02:18:53.373+01:002009-11-20T02:18:53.373+01:00@Rationalist, thank you for your interest. I will ...@Rationalist, thank you for your interest. I will try to give a short version. <br /><br />Sullivan rightly discussed "the Palin myth." She has created a mythic narrative for the right. That's why they call her a "fertility goddess." The "wonderbirth" of Trig is part of that fertility goddess myth. (The Fringe Right is so impotent that they need "fertility," but that's another topic.)<br /><br />Tactically, one must start trying to deconstruct her in religious terms. The "facts" don't matter to those caught in a religious myth. <br /><br />So one has to start asking: How and why do myths fade? When the ritual & the story are disconnected from delivering spiritual "transformation," myths die. <br /><br />This is what needs to be communicated to her followers, as they see her in spiritual terms--not political terms. <br /><br />But what has she delivered? She has failed to transform them in spiritual terms. This is what needs to be explored if you want to reach her supporters, IMO. She offers a spiritual promise which she has yet to keep.Anon 01:46noreply@blogger.com