Thursday, 22 October 2009

Huffington Post And Babygate: The Iron Curtain On Sarah Palin’s Faked Pregnancy Starts To Decay – But The Censors Are Still Busy


The Huffington Post and their approach towards “babygate”, the scandal surrounding Sarah Palin’s faked pregnancy with Trig, is a sad tale.
Ever since Huffington Post blogger Lee Stranahan on September 1, 2008 rejected the faked-pregnancy theory
and declared:

“Sane people need to come to reasonable conclusions”

and added in the comments

“She was pregnant, according to multiple interviews I've done with people in Alaska. They think the speculation is crazy”

...the Huffington Post has taken such a “hard line” on anything related to babygate that it would make a censor outside the “free world” proud. Therefore, it is not hard to believe what Lee Stranahan then wrote in the comments of another of his articles about babygate on October 22, 2008:

“Thanks but I'll tell you that the editors of HuffPost -- including Roy Sekoff and Arianna -- have been nothing but supportive of my writing here.”

As I myself and many of my fellow companions have experienced multiple times during the last 12 months, comments left on Huffington Post about babygate are usually vigorously censored. At times, it was virtually impossible to get any comment through which referred to Sarah’s faked pregnancy, even if it was “moderately worded”.

Then came October 21, 2009 – yesterday. I almost fell off my chair when I read what Glynnis MacNicol, senior editor at www.mediaite.com dared to write in her article (which has been tucked away in the media section of Huffington Post):

Top Ten Outrageous Sarah Palin Stories Oprah Will Have To Address:

"Who's Your Mommy: Palin and the Trig Birthers

2. Calling Andrew Sullivan and the Sarah Palin birthers! Ever since Palin stepped into the national spotlight in August 2008 there has been persistent speculation as to whether she is truly the mother of her youngest son Trig or whether the baby actually belongs her daughter Bristol and Palin's merely claimed to be his parent as some sort of cover-up. Levi hit on the sensitive subject again in his first-person VF piece. It remains to be seen if Palin mentions it in her memoir, but if she's considering another run for public office it's absolutely fair game for Oprah. Below, a typical birther vid.”

Can you believe it! Asking questions about Sarah Palin’s pregnancy is “fair game”! Hallelujah! Does that mean that we are now…allowed to talk on Huffington Post about what is supposedly one of the greatest taboos in US history?

Well…yes. I mean, no. Not so fast! Don’t give the people too much freedom! They might abuse it. A small dose of freedom of speech, that’s what we need. Emphasis on “small”. After all, Sarah Palin “sells”, we don’t want to damage the product too much, do we!

So, yesterday, the struggle began. The struggle to find the right words, so that the comment on Huffington Post doesn’t get rejected. What is it like to live in a dictatorship with limited freedom of speech? Well, you can find out for yourself and get first-hand experience – just try to leave a comment on Huffington Post about Sarah Palin’s faked pregnancy and you can get a glimpse of what the people in communist Eastern Europe had to go through.

REJECTED:

“Sarah Palin faked her pregnancy. She is one of the biggest frauds that there ever was in US political history.”

ALLOWED:

“Sarah's explanation regarding the wild ride is unbelievable. Oprah should question her about it and ask why she undertook such a risky journey.”

REJECTED:

“The parentage of Trig was the first lie told by the Palins on the national stage. And Palin continues to use that baby as a prop for her own political gain; promoting pro-life and special needs children agenda.”

ALLOWED:

“Absolutely ...biggest HOAX pulled in American political history. And main stream media refused to carry the story for some reason.”

REJECTED:

“Can anyone explain to me the reason why Sarah Palin travelled by plane from Texas to Alaska whilst she was in labor and her waters had broken? Why didn't she go to the nearest hospital which is what any normal woman would do in her situation? Is Sarah Palin such a poor decision maker that she is willing to risk her own unborn down syndrome child's life in order for him to be born in Alaska? The above facts are not some nutty story made up by conspiracy theorists. These are the facts that Palin related herself regarding Trig's birth. Also remember that she supposedly knew that he had a heart defect that would require immediate attention when he was born. I think that her story does not hold water (excuse the pun) and that it requires further investigation.”

I could go on. There are many, many more examples of rejected comments.

Any form of censorship makes me literally sick. It makes me feel even more ill when a “liberal” publication censors valid concerns of citizens which are based on a huge pile of “circumstancial” evidence. If a right-winger would censor me, I don’t mind too much, because that’s what I would expect from them. But the Huffington Post? It just breaks my heart that this important progressive publication is basically at the forefront of censoring comments about one of the greatest scandals in US political history.

There is a fascinating twist to the story. Paradoxically, Lee Stranahan once had his own problems with “censorship” in progressive publications. Lee was involved in a huge controversy about the handling of the John Edwards story in the media – he complained that the progressive media was ignoring the story. From the LA Times:

“Stranahan argued that even though the mainstream media had been silent after the National Enquirer broke the story, "the progessive blogosphere is ignoring this story at its own peril because it's going to be big." It was the most popular piece on HuffPo for two days. It also caused Stranahan to be banned from the liberal blog Daily Kos, whose users decided they did not like Stranahan's insistence on discussing unflattering news that originated in the National Enquirer. (…)“I was genuinely surprised that I got banned from Kos,” he said. “I just wrote an editorial. Now I find myself doing hard reporting." Although no other liberal blogs have joined Kos in shunning him, he feels he has a lot at stake in figuring out the details of the Edwards affair that are still cloudy. "Suddenly my reputation is tied in to the outcome of this story," he said.”

When I read this story, I had the impression that someone like Lee Stranahan, who also created some incredibly funny videos featuring Sarah Palin, should be our “natural ally”. But for reasons we will probably never find out, “the left” partially has lost its mind and is so scared of doing any false reporting about Sarah Palin’s pregnancy that they all apart from a few lone voices have collectively closed their eyes, Lee Stranahan included.

Interestingly, the website www.mediaite.com that Glynnis MacNicol is editing is certainly not a liberal website. It clearly appears to be a “conservative” website, although possibly with a “moderate angle”, as far as I could see. In the same way hasn’t, for example, the conservative publicist Peggy Noonan published one of the most devastating articles about Sarah Palin that was ever written?

There are many shades of liberal and conservative, and we cannot agree with each other all the time – but we should all seek the truth together. That’s all I ask for.


192 comments:

truth before beauty said...

The fact is that any blog owner can allow whatever comments they want to. That's not necessarily censorship - it's a party at their house and they can make you go home if they want to.

If someone has something to say, start your own blog!
It don't cost nothin' neither.

Patrick said...

@truth before beauty

Sorry, but if you don't allow comments on a large scale which deal with a specific topic, then this is censorship. Of course you can only censor your "own" blog. The argument I am putting forward here is that no good reason for this behaviour which is being shown by Huffington Post exists. If you invite guests to your house, you don't tell them what to say or to think. If they insult you, you might throw them out. If they discuss an interesting topic with you in a civilized manner, you should be grateful.

Anonymous said...

It's fair game only if Sarah chooses to run for political office, WTF!!! (So sorry, is that inappropriate language?)

Sarah is going to be selling her book and out there trying to make millions. I think that the truth is in order, whether she runs for office of not. Ask David Letterman about being "outed" when he isn't running for public office.

How about every tabloid story that is picked up by the MSM without any verification! Paris this and Lindsey that. Britney goes bonkers and we give it mainstream attention. Every model and movie star's baby bump is in the MSM, whether or not they are married. And please, oh please save us from any more Kate & Jon crap. All of this MSM and Sarah isn't!! WTF!!

Anonymous said...

I think the fact that she leaves open the possibility of running for office makes the question fair game for anyone to ask. The longer we have to vet a candidate the better. Let a hundred flowers bloom.

Amy1 said...

Thank you, Patrick, for the Peggy Noonan article on SP. Just so very excellent! I hope everyone will read it.

Anonymous said...

Did Stranahan ever state who he talked to in Alaska? Some will tell him it's a "crazy" idea; others will tell him something different.

Anonymous said...

re: the Noonan article:

Do beauty pageant contestants blow kisses? If that's what political candidates do, then Carrie Prejean is better qualified for office, because she won a statewide contest, not just a local contest.

Forever Anonymous said...

Mediaite.com is were John Ziegler wrote of his latest harrasment on behalf of sara Palin. I wonder if the article is to test were people are at with the issue, kind of a way to get in front of the story and desensitize the public.

Anonymous said...

"In fact, a call to Alaska Airlines by Gambling911.com revealed that they will not allow a woman to board a flight whose water has broke."

TMP TP

Anonymous said...

'"Turning to others means the media won!" No, it means they lose. What the mainstream media wants is not to kill her but to keep her story going forever. She hurts, as they say, the Republican brand, with her mess and her rhetorical jabberwocky and her careless causing of division. Really, she is the most careless sower of discord since George W. Bush, who fractured the party and the movement that made him. Why wouldn't the media want to keep that going?'-- Peggy Noonan

Bree Palin said...

Fascinating, Patrick, that Stranahan, who apparently was instrumental in burying this story at the HuffPo was so keen in fighting for the Edwards story to see the light of day.

Don't forget what happened at the DailyKos. I spent that whole long weekend after Palin was picked for VP on the DK following as the details of babygate came together and got discussed. It was the most popular thing going that weekend. I firmly believe that if the story had not been shut down on the DK after that weekend it would have had to have been seriously addressed by the MSM. Basically, the MSM just followed DK's lead, along with candidate Obama saying that families were off limits. That is a perfectly legitimate line to observe if all we were talking about were the scurrilous details of an unplanned teenage pregnancy. But this story was about so much more and goes to the very essence of Palin's character.

Anonymous said...

I wonder what the F.A.A. would have to say about the deception of boarding a plane while leaking amniotic fluid. Why aren't they looking into this situation?

Jesse Cornish said...

I see this post talks about censorship, which of course should apply to what Shannyn Moore and Jesse Griffin do all the time on their websites when they block out certain comments, including mine. At least you have the decency to live up to your own standards. Your allies do not.

Anonymous said...

Wow, Peggy nailed down and chained up the Palin case for 2012. Never have i read a more accurate clearly worded analysis of SP and her political performance.

Great Read and thank you for posting the link AMY1

Anonymous said...

Jesse ALL of your allies have major censorship issues. If you aren't groveling at the feet of the Queen you're GONE..I'm not sure you have much credibility in this area

Gail said...

It's ironic isn't it, that Daily Kos and HuffPo began as renegades (rogues?) challenging MSM, and now are behaving just as badly. I tried posting a Daily Kos diary and was attacked for violating some very arcane rules - nobody cared about the substance of what I was writing about. It was like bullies on a playground - we got here first, you don't know the rules, so we're going to beat up on you!

I cannot explain such petty turf fights amongst liberals, only observe that they (we?) manage to shoot ourselves in the foot, over and over. Which could explain why well-organized oil, coal, and biofuel industries, with their legions of disciplined lobbyists, are the ones who actually run this country - not the voting public.

Anonymous said...

Could be that Sarah is going to have a come-to-jesus moment on Oprah's show, saying something like, "It doesn't matter if Trig is the son of Elvis and a space alien. He's ours. We love him and we're going to keep him." That would probably be the best thing for her to do, politically. They could then add a Sarah-The-Redeemer story to the rest of the myth.

Jesse Cornish said...

""" Anonymous said...
Jesse ALL of your allies have major censorship issues. If you aren't groveling at the feet of the Queen you're GONE..I'm not sure you have much credibility in this area"""

I really don't care about censorship on blogs. That is a non-issue. However, it is a source of constant of amusement to see people who can never abide by the standards they themselves espouse.

Anonymous said...

@ 23 October 2009 01:08

Re: Airlines
Does anyone know anything about this?

Anonymous said...

I think her basketball story is fair game, too. Frank Carney says that she got the 'barracuda' nickname not for her play but for the way she sucked-up to the coach and bad-mouthed the other girls. It's another character issue that goes to her qualifications for any public office.

Anonymous said...

"it is a source of constant of amusement to see people who can never abide by the standards they themselves espouse."

You must find Palin absolutely hysterical then. She's the poster child for not abiding by "the standards they themselves espouse"

Anonymous said...

Jesse Corn. works for Mitt Romney. It's pretty obvious. Otherwise why would he be making Palin and her supporters look so bad?

EuroMom said...

Funnily enough, I posted a rather flippant comment on a recent Huffpo thread about healthcare reform -- it didn't get through. It was a fairly lighthearted article anyway and I was responding to a comment about gubmint "interference" in healthcare, so I sarcastically suggested medical roles for a few US political figures (Michelle Bachman doing brain surgery, Dick Cheney giving people their shots etc. -- ok, so it wasn't all that funny, but you get the drift).
Still: I couldn't help wondering whether my comment was sunk because it included a reference to a Sarah Palin ante-natal gymnastic programme for tight abs and prolonging labor on long-haul flights...
(wv: shiousem = as in "she owes 'em")

Anonymous said...

Hi Jesse,

Met you on Mitten's yacht. Good work you're doing, saving the country from that crazy woman. too bad for us, because you know we'd cream you all if you ran her against our Once in a Lifetime Nobel Laureate.

try not to be so obvious, because some of her drugged peasants come trolling here and you don't want them knocking on your back door. They make the mob look friendly and brilliant.

Floyd M. Orr said...

Thank you, thank you, thank you, Patrick! The truth about HuffPo and the liberal MSM has been way too long coming! Excellent article! Keep up the good work!

Anonymous said...

The hunter, frontiersman myth is also fair game. Levi stated what he observed while at the house; he has no reason to lie about that. Of course, she may have hunted/fished at times when Levi wasn't present, but then we do have Greta's interview where she revealed that she had to get the stew's moose meat from her dad. Because she's touted that story, and even during the 2006 campaign claimed that she had a freezer full of game, the people need to be able to explore that story.

honestyinGov said...

Memo to Jessie,
While you are being so Liberal open-minded, forgiving and encouraging ' discussion 'here.... can you put in a good word for us here on this page over at C4P.( take our names down)
They won't let us in the Room... like the way you are allowed here.
Thanks in advance.

ProChoiceGrandma said...

I was up most of the night trying to get comments on Glynnis MacNicol’s article on Huffington Post. Just to give you an idea, here is my list of comments. I succeeded in getting 3 out of 10 comments approved. I could not pass up the opportunity to at least try since this is the FIRST article on Huffington Post to discuss babygate. I will have to post this in 2 or 3 posts:

1. REJECTED:
I want to know if Senator McCain discovered the “Desperate Housewives” lie before or after he picked Palin. I am taking a guess that she did not tell him until after he picked her, based on the mad dash McCain’s campaign staffers had to make to Alaska to mop up what they failed to vet in the first place. They just barely beat the reporters.
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2. REJECTED:
Glynnis, that is a very old video. I would recommend you update your research to include all the hard work and thorough research done by the people at:
Palingates
BreePalin
The Immoral Minority
Palin’s Deceptions
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3. REJECTED:
Trig was not “born” on 4-18-08, he was “presented” on 4-18-08 in what Sarah thought was a brilliant cover-up. But her father, Grandpa Heath, blew the carefully staged event by telling the reporter that Sarah’s water broke in Texas. Sarah had already told the reporter that she called her doctor at 4:00 am, and she was unable to quickly think of a good response.

IMO, Trig was born shortly before 1-19-08 when her daughter had a court date on a SATURDAY for a minor speeding ticket she had gotten on 8-6-07. How many other Alaskans get to have their speeding tickets continued for 5 months to be heard on a Saturday for their convenience?
****************
4. REJECTED:
For the best photo comparisons:

http://breepalin.blogspot.com/2009/10/sarah-palins-special-delivery-or-who.html

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5. REJECTED
Most significant is that Sarah waited until 3-5-08 to announce her surprise 7 month gestation, which was the day AFTER John McCain won the Republican nomination on 3-4-08.
************************

ProChoiceGrandma said...

6. ALLOWED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sarah’s transparency is like trying to see through a brick wall. Those emails were requested as early as September 2008 and they are still “reviewing” them, and Parnell has asked for another extension beyond 11-30-09. What about the emails that were subpoenaed for the Tennessee case of the young man who got into her personal Yahoo email accounts by figuring out her password? She was communicating state business on two personal email accounts so that her deceitful and vindictive means of governing could not be disclosed.
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7. REJECTED:
The significance of exposing Palin on the babygate issue is that Palin was placed in a position that potentially could have put her a heartbeat away from the Presidency of the United States! McCain was 72 and a 4 time cancer survivor. Her pregnancy hoax displays a mentality that does not belong in any public office, let alone anywhere near the White House. Her incredible plan was derived straight from the 2007 episode of Desperate Housewives when Bree Van de Kamp Hodge faked a pregnancy to cover that of her daughter, Danielle. Palin plagiarized that script. Her lies and deceit just on this issue alone clearly shows how she would handle any other issue that she would consider embarrassing. Scrubbing photos from the governor’s website, campaign workers removing photos and other potential incriminating information from the Johnston’s computer, scrubbing entries from Bristol’s and all of her friends’ MySpace pages, the list is far more extensive than the infamous Watergate scandal. The big story is the fundamentalist extremists behind her who hope to turn this nation into a theocrazy.
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8. REJECTED:
Oprah, ask Palin about Rev. Thomas Muthee, the wit.ch hunter who she attributes as helping her become Governor of Alaska. Ask her if she approves of the wit.ch hunting in Africa that k.i.l.l.s and m.a.i.m.s very young children that the pastors have proclaimed as wit.ches.

Oprah, ask her how old the earth is, approximately.
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9. ALLOWED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oprah’s research staff need only visit these sites, for all the work has been done:

Palingates.blogspot.com (best research) for Babygate and Religiongate especially, but there are 26 “gates” to slam shut those “open doors” Sarah was seeking.

BreePalin.blogspot.com (best photo comparisons on 10-5-09 post)

The Immoral Minority (best snark!)

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10. ALLOWED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oprah, I challenge your researchers to find one site that proves Sarah is the biological mother of Trig…
None

Sarah’s only “proof” are her statements, like this one from Esquire:

Sarah Palin: What I've Learned
July 5, 2009, 10:55 AM
By Ryan D'Agostino
Originally published in the March 2009 issue

“I'll tell you, yesterday the Anchorage Daily News, they called again to ask — double-, triple-, quadruple-check — who is Trig's real mom. And I said, Come on, are you kidding me? We're gonna answer this? Do you not believe me or my doctor? And they said, No, it's been quite cryptic the way that my son's birth has been discussed. And I thought, Okay, more indication of continued problems in the world of journalism.”
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Yes, there are “problems in the world of journalism”! OMG, I actually agree with one thing that Sarah Palin said!! But not for the same reason. I continue to be perplexed why journalists do not bring to light the biggest political hoax ever. Are they waiting in the bushes for the right time to pounce? Or are they all “owned” by Rupert Murdoch?
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Anonymous said...

$P broke with Republican party .. endorses Conservative party candidate in New York congressional race

Anonymous said...

This is acceptable Huffington Post main page Sarah Palin on October 23, 2009.

Nation Editors Mock Palin With Book Of Their Own
First Posted: 10-22-09 05:20 PM | Updated: 10-22-09 07:43 PM
# Comments (62)

Not many comments. Lack of interest in the topic, Palin or censorship?

Amy1 said...

GREAT POST(S), ProChoiceGrandma. If Regina isn't able to sit in Oprah's first row of experts, then I think you should. Just reprinting those posts here is excellent. Now they are here. Eventually, some reporter will be set loose to research all this officially, and your questions are perfection to help in the write-up that will bring it to the electorate. YES!

Anonymous said...

We should have a post that tells which of the 10 commandments Sarah has broken.

Jesse Cornish said...

""" honestyinGov said...
Memo to Jessie,
While you are being so Liberal open-minded, forgiving and encouraging ' discussion 'here.... can you put in a good word for us here on this page over at C4P.( take our names down)
They won't let us in the Room... like the way you are allowed here.
Thanks in advance."""

If you people had your wits about you, you would ban me as well.

honestyinGov said...

I do hope someone remembers to grab screen captures of the various comments that did make it though to the Huffpo story. You never know what or how they could be useful down the road. If nothing else... just as a resource to show what kinds of comments made it past the Mods. Like the way Bree grabs the posts from the other sites.
( Screen grabs... not my expertise )

Anonymous said...

Jesse, why the ad hominem attacks on us by inferring that we're witless? That is illogical and rude.

We all know you're paid by the post but to us, you're an example of who Palin supporters truly are. You're emblematic. As social scientists, we're examining you, as if you're in a lab, under a microscope. Each of your "clever" posts gives us more information.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, Patrick, great post. I was deleted!

So, why would a conservative bring up babygate? Taking names?

I am puzzled by HuffPost deleting such clean comments! They stopped my sharing palingates links a while ago!

Patrick said...

Anon 04:48

Well, now where Sarah Palin continues to move in the direction of an "independent conservative movement" (see the endorsement of Doug Hoffman in New York today) the Republicans will certainly see her in a more critical light.

This is a risky strategy which only a mad person like SP would choose, because I know for a fact that there are Republicans out there who know inconvenient facts about SP, including the truth about babygate

LisanTx said...

ADN editor, Pat Doughtery, left a comment on this article at the Mediaite website. He calls Andrew Sullivan "deranged." there are only 6 comments on the article on the Mediaite site.


http://www.mediaite.com/online/top-ten-outrageous-sarah-palin-stories-oprah-will-have-to-address/6/

abirato said...

If Oprah dares to ask anything other than softball questions of Palin, she will either get a "beat around the bush" answer or an outright lie. I'm not expecting much from this interview.

Palin lies so much that she probably has to get someone else to call her dogs for her.

EyeOnYou said...

Patrick,
If you haven't already done so you should check out the Ocean of Urine site for some laughs.

They have been down on their knee's praying for Sarah to endorse Hoffman. Begging for it, saying how fantastic he is, and how much it would prove she is a "rogue", how she is taking over the GOP and now that she has done this, they put up 185 posts in 2 hours going on and on about how FANTASTIC she is and now they are finally donating to his campaign and offering their unconditional support of him.

Funny how wonderful they all thought he was but didn't do anything to help him out until Sarah decided to endorse him.

Anonymous said...

LisanTx

Clearly Pat Dougherty wouldn't spell his own name wrong...?

That wasn't him.

LisanTx said...

anon. at 4:48--HuffPo blocked alot of my comments, too. I checked the Moderation rules and found:

"Please note, comments containing links to personal blogs and other inappropriate sites will be deleted. ONLY links to relevant news stories or sites are acceptable."

LisanTx said...

Anon. at 5:09--duh--you're right. Not him.

Punkinbugg said...

ACCEPTED at HUFFPO:

"The pictures tell the truth. So does the "new" Elan Frank Video taken on April 8 and 9, 2008 which clearly shows her hopping up from a chair when she is a mere TEN DAYS AWAY from giving 'birth' on April 18th.

Too bad she staged those two "Gusty" photos on April 13th, diplaying a huge belly.

Did she look like that on all four plane rides to/from Dallas? No flight attendant recalls.

The flat-belly pictures, the videos, the scrubbed photo links on the State website, the Wild Ride, plus refusing to produce not one, but TWO birth certificates to her sympathic hometown editor --- all add up to one huge H O A X."

ProChoiceGrandma said...

Patrick, excellent post! I love it!

Perhaps Lee Stranahan knocked on Levi’s door and “a family friend” answered and assured Stranahan that Sarah gave birth to Trig. That would be Anna Arodzero, the McCain campaign worker, who misrepresented herself as a family friend to reporters, i.e. LIED.
Or perhaps Stranahan talked to Angelina Burney:
“All of a sudden she had this penchant for really beautiful scarves,” recalled Angelina Burney, who works across the hallway from the governor in Anchorage.” But if you google Burney, well, let’s just say she seems to have similar religious beliefs as Sarah, and a big fan of Sarah Palin according to her Facebook.

Just who are the multiple people Stranahan interviewed that convinced him Sarah had been pregnant with Trig? Papa Heath? Meg Stapletongue? Ivy Frye? Kristan Cole? Inquiring minds want to know! Apparently Stranahan’s investigative journalism abilities suck. I have no idea what is Stranahan’s age, is he some old white guy who was also mesmerized by Sarah Palin’s wink?

So, is Huffington Post’s babygate comment policy derived solely from this one slacker of a "journalist”?

ProChoiceGrandma said...

Hi Punkinbugg! I was delighted when I saw your comment!

Patrick said...

PCG

You did a great job with getting all these comments through on HuffPost!

I haven't got a clue who Lee Stranahan talked to. I will email him and will ask him for a statement.

Anonymous said...

I agree with anon 01:44. Sarah can turn any babygate question in anon's sentimental response and avoid a direct answer. I think that she can turn many questions into statements to her advantage-- she is a good politician in that way.

I think that the best way to show Sarah's limits in Peggy Noonan's shallow pool is with the totally unexpected question, one that wasn't rehearsed ahead of time. Think of Katy Couric's innocent "What do you read to inform your world view..." which still gets laughs.

For example, if anyone is the relative of a DS child, or administers therapy to Down Syndrome children, that would be the perfect authority to request a seat at the Sarah Palin interview. (There is a place at the Oprah website to offer your expertise, and that would be one subject that Sarah clearly hasn't spent any time studying).

Oprah has given millions to charity, so if would be fair of her to care what kind of contribution Sarah has made in the interest of Down Syndrome charities. Sarah should be asked exactly what kind of therapy Trig is being given and how she and Todd participate in that therapy as the loving, caring parents. I don't think that Sarah can answer that question-- even given this advance notice.

I would hope that Oprah, who supported Obama's candidacy would be concerned about the increased threats to him that were elevated during the campaign and continue today.

Oprah and Sarah do share something in common; they both wept on the night that Barack Obama was elected. Sarah wanted to deliver a speech when McCain conceded the election. Oprah was in the middle of Grant Park, leaning on the shoulder of a nice man in front of her- who she did not know- and she was overcome to tears at the thought of someone of her race reaching that milestone. Oprah should discuss that moment with Sarah.

I wish that it was important to post comments at HuffPo or Sea of Pee, but I think that the right place for comments right now are the Oprah website. Using polite language, clear outlines of facts, I think that Oprah's staff should be educated to the massive number of issues that follow Sarah and have not been resolved, from Troopergate, the fact that she still has not turned over emails with Todd copied on government correspondence, and so forth.

An interesting mental game to play is the try to pick out the most important "gate" to lead off the list, second most important and so on. When I say "important" I don't mean to us, I mean important in the sense that it would be likely to become a topic or question in the interview. We should educate the Oprah staff, but with issues to which Sarah has no good answer.

ProChoiceGrandma said...

Thanks Patrick, I certainly tried!

Yeah, give my regards to Stranahan, NOT. This really makes me angry.

Anonymous said...

Is this the same Anna Arodzero?

VF: McCain Staffers Ascribed Palin's Problems To Post-Partum Depression

Great work PCG.
"Purdum's Vanity Fair article also failed to note all of the pictures, emails and MySpace material that were scrubbed as soon as the Republican goon squad arrived in Alaska when Palin was announced as VP candidate. This also goes to show McCain had not thoroughly vetted Palin until after the fact.
A “friend of the family” who answered the door at Levi Johnston’s house was none other than Anna Arodzero, a McCain campaign worker, as associate of Gallatin Public Affairs.
The computer at the Johnston house was scrubbed of all pictures, etc.
Palin’s Deceptions found some MySpace entries that the goons missed."

Both campaigns call pregnancy a private matter

Patrick said...

Anon 06:17

Yes, that's correct. The identity of Anna Arodzero and her work for Gallatin Public Affairs was discovered by the old PD team.

Patrick said...

PCG

Don't be mad at him! I have written Lee Stranahan a very friendly email, gave him more information about babygate and said that he has the opportunity for a statement here on palingates, if he would like to make a statement.

Anonymous said...

The Huffington Post: The Most Dangerous Global Warming Deniers
Find a picture, click the participate button, add a title and upload your picture

Did HuffPo do anything at all on the new compound on Lake Lucille?
Environment

RickAHyatt said...

Birthers!
I now believe Barrack Obama & I share a common father (On the white side), former East German STASI General Markus Wolf, of who it can now be told was turned and counter-run by the CIA as early as 1977. The enemy's true agenda has been preempted, issue by issue, by the Bushes since they first started to "Steward" the Presidency in 1982.
I know, I was used to lure Wolf to the West in '77.
Now you know why & how so much of Obama's birth was fabricated yet protected so heavily from true exposure.
There is also another half-brother and sister from this man who bio-engineered our lives from the birth as espionage operatives, "Manchurian Candidates."
"Master Spy" Wolf wanted to be known in history as perfecting the use of sex as an espionage method, & I guess he succeeded. www.rickhyatt.freeservers.com.

Anonymous said...

Living on Lake Lucille is bad for your health.

Anonymous said...

It does seem as if the GOP is finished with Palin.

Anonymous said...

You can't swing a dead cat outside of Sarah's church and not hit someone up here who knows she wasn't pregnant.. Apparently this Stranahan clown never left the friendly confines of the church pews

Anonymous said...

So, Jessie Cornish is back. I do find it interesting that he really seems worried about the truth about the BABY coming out. Hit a nerve did we? Toodle over to TeamSarah.org or Conservatives4palin.....you're needed there. It is comical to us here. I think you must obviously be a blind man who has seen none of the photos...you know the ones where Palin appears to be wearing a flat square flotation device..you know...the kind you wear while skiing? And what about the Elan Frank video where she literally beats hard on her "tummy"? No real mother treats her unborn child like that!!!! Real mothers caress or stroke the unborn. She slapped on it like a bag of flour. Yup, if you were a seeing man, you would be in agreement with us here. This hoax is real Jesse. You are perpetuating it. We don't care, you're quite a funny little man. No worries..this team will not give up and unbeknowst to you, the behind the scenes team has gotten quite large and things are being found every day.


So toodle off to your own little Queen Sarahland and have a great evening, OK?

ProChoiceGrandma said...

Well Patrick, I will withhold judgment about Stranahan until I read some of his work. But if he was hell bent on the Edwards story but silences the Palin hoax, I would tend to think he is a Palinbot. I still want to know who are the "multiple" Alaskans he interviewed. And was that by phone or in person? Maybe he used the Assembly of God church registry to contact interviewees? In all fairness, no one knew very much in September 2008, but he had obviously heard the rumors if he was asking people about it.

Just let him know how much damn sleep I have lost trying to get comments through because of him!
lol!

Niko Sotiropoulos said...

I have found Huffington Post incredibly fascistic as well. I tried to leave comments regarding the 9-11 events and coverups, all according to the site's guidelines, but was not allowed numerous times. Ms. Huffington has said 9-11 truth comments are out of bounds on her website. I thought we lived in a "free" society! I guess Ms. Huffington and her minions have not gotten that message, and want to control the free flow of information according to their biases.

Eileen said...

I found this on www.crooksandliars.com for Sept.14 2008 Blog by John Amato. Concerns Eddie Burke of KBYR and also Bob Lester who recently commented here. Not sure if was quoted as extensively on here or PD.
Title of blog is "Alaska Right Wing talk show host exposes names of Alaska women that rallied against Palin:called them maggots."

"KTUU TV: Opponents of Gov. Sarah Palin's policies are being threatened. Alaska Women Reject Palin, a local group that opposes the Republican vice presidential candidate, on Wednesday announced plans to host an anti-Palin rally this weekend.Since that announcement organizers say they've received intimidating messages.
KBYR talk radio host Eddie Burke admits he is a conservative and a "Palinista."But on Wednesday Burke resorted to name calling when he found out Alaska Women Reject Palin planned to host a Saturday rally.
"They're a bunch of socialist maggots, that's what I'm going to call them -- socialist maggots, that's what they are, a bunch of socialist baby-killing maggots," said Burke.
I think it's appropriate to go after Gov Palin's policies ,but respect her. Burke is out of his mind.

And Alaska is not happy with Palin's appearance on Burke's show.
The governor's appearance on KWHL's "The Bob and Mark Show" last week is plain and simple one of the most unprofessional, childish and inexcusable performances I've ever seen from a politician. Anchorage DJ Bob Lester unleashed a vicious, mean-spirited, poisonous attack on Senate President Lyda Green last week while our governor was live on the air with him.
When we played the tape on my show the day after it happened, we received 130 calls. Even some Palinbots were disgusted.
The Fairbanks Daily News-Miner editorial writers demanded the governor apologize. The Juneau and Ketchikan papers also ran the editorial.

The Daily News opinion page addressed the governor's gaffe. They wrote "She came off looking immature herself, almost high-schoolish. It was conduct unbecoming a governor."
It was conduct unbecoming a human being, never mind a governor.
The governor's office eventually tried to spin the public relations disaster, releasing a statement reading, "Governor Palin was caught off guard by Bob Lester's reference to Senate President Lyda Green."

I don't buy it. Early on in the conversation before Palin started to crack up, Lester referred to Sen. Green as a jealous woman and a cancer. Palin, who knows full well Lyda Green is a cancer survivor, didn't do what any decent person would do, say, "Bob, that's going too far."
But as the conversation moved on, Lester intensified his attack on Green."

With all this outing and threatening of bloggers by the right wingers and shouting down others at Town Halls and those not in Palin's camp, I would like to say that the true patriots and lovers of the Constitution and Bill of Rights seem to be those who can tolerate free speech in blogs such as these Trig Truther blogs-folks who honor truth and the first amendment over political outcome and enjoy a robust discussion.

regina said...

Jesse Cornish,

Why should we ban you?

Helen said...

Jesse Cornish, if you are out there, wanted you to know we are all pitching in to buy you a smile.

hoc est corpus said...

Urinetown dwellers like Cornish have their heads deep in the sand.

Their lives and blind faith in the Iconic Saint Sarah of Wasilla would be shattered by The Truth of Trig.

They're not ready for it and simply couldn't handle the reality of it. Their lives would become meaningless without their idolatry. Hence the strong push back and denial.

They truly live in a fantasy world where up is down and black is white - and are ignorant beyond all measure.

Lisabeth said...

There were 165 posts when I went to bed now there only 64 !! That was only a few hours ago! What i
happened??.

Anonymous said...

The facts are these:

Sarah Palin was not pregnant in 2007 and 2008 and she did not give birth to Trig Palin.

Anyone who says otherwise is a bald-faced liar.

Period.

regina said...

Lisabeth,

The post before this one has 163 comments, perhaps you got mixed up?

I checked the dashboard on blogger and counted all the comments on my e-mail notifications. There are 67 comments as I write.

The only things I delete are posts outing other bloggers and spam, such as links to office supplies, travel agents, etc.

Anonymous said...

I was banned several months ago on HuffPo -- and somehow, I lived.

Arianna took the media bows for HuffPo's coverage of the Iranian election and uprising -- somehow, the fact that Nico Pitney was the man on the telegraph for days without rest got lost... to everyone except -- of course -- Rachel Maddow.

If you miss reading the site on Friday afternoon, look in on Sunday night -- the same headlines will be frozen in place. My parents had fresh news delivered on weekends, and the Sunday paper kept the entire family squabbling for hours.

So why won't Huffington, who gets most of her content for free -- and otherwise in exchange for the 'cachet' of publication on a major site -- shell out for a few decent journalists? Where is all that advertiser money going? And Arianna, babe, you are looking VERY good; is that Versace?

I got tired of b-list actors trying out their high school writing chops on serious subjects. Of the Xian conservatives published to generate heat, and only rabid dissent left as commentary -- the reasonable comments deleted. I definitely got tired of clicking through misleading headlines and opinion pieces disguised as news, which was HuffPo's version of 'liberal'.

The site is a money-generator, for someone who views us in much the same way as any banker or bishop. As sheep to be sheared.

Jesse Cornish said...

""" Anonymous said...
Jesse, why the ad hominem attacks on us by inferring that we're witless? That is illogical and rude."""

That's not an ad hominem.

"""
We all know you're paid by the post but to us, you're an example of who Palin supporters truly are. You're emblematic. As social scientists, we're examining you, as if you're in a lab, under a microscope. Each of your "clever" posts gives us more information."""

Of course, the bloggers here at this website are among the finest examples of scientists, who have such inborn talent they require neither training nor education.

Jesse Cornish said...

""" hoc est corpus said...
Urinetown dwellers like Cornish have their heads deep in the sand.

Their lives and blind faith in the Iconic Saint Sarah of Wasilla would be shattered by The Truth of Trig.

They're not ready for it and simply couldn't handle the reality of it. Their lives would become meaningless without their idolatry. Hence the strong push back and denial.

They truly live in a fantasy world where up is down and black is white - and are ignorant beyond all measure."""

We'll see about that.

Jesse Cornish said...

""" regina said...
Jesse Cornish,

Why should we ban you?"""

Because what I say will bear out to be the truth. I have the utmost confidence in this.

I'll be here to remind you of that fact. You've pretty much tacitly admitted you have nothing. Soon you'll see about what I mean when I say the falsehood you are peddling will go nowhere.

Bell said...

Interesting comment:
Anonymous @ 7:29 said...
You can't swing a dead cat outside of Sarah's church and not hit someone up here who knows she wasn't pregnant.

On Huffpo:
Arianna switched parties like Specter. She's a repub underneath so, yeah, Huffpo is not the bastion of liberalness it seems.

Anonymous said...

Baby Born On Plane, 11 Weeks Early

ProChoiceGrandma said...

Voila’! I actually got another comment through on the HuffPo article. Of course, no one will see any of our comments because the article has disappeared from the HuffPo page, but here is what I posted:
***************
Oprah, ask Sarah about the 10-5-07 tour with Bristol to the HUB Juneau Christian Teen Center. Do the Google research yourself - this place has connections with Cathy Baldwin-Johnson. This place also has serious connections with some very fanatical religious associations, you know, those Seven Mountains and spiritual warriors types. Curiously, HUB Juneau Christian Teen Center received a $25,000 donation with taxpayers’ money through the generosity of then Governor Sarah. Were personal benefits provided for this donation?? You know how Sarah hates to spend her own money. But I would rather the IRS ask her about that “donation”. That should have come out of her own pocket, not the Alaskan taxpayers.
Posted 11:38 PM on 10/22/2009
**************************

Anonymous said...

I remember listening to archived radio talk early on following her nomination, wherein Palin laughed out loud when Green was called 'a bitch'.

That sealed it for me.

A 'Christian' laughing at a cancer battler when she is called a 'bitch'. Actually, any woman politician laughing when another office holder is called a 'bitch.'

Explain that one away, Cornish. You are backing a woman with a very black heart who is trafficking in religion, then stomping all over it with her Naughty Monkey shoes.

Anonymous said...

The lemmings are going to follow sarah off the cliff with that 3rd party!

Anonymous said...

Huffington Post

BBC* Besieged By Anti-Fascist Protesters Over Controversial Guest

It's interesting to see what happens in Britain when they don't like a TV guest.
Anti-Fascist Protesters Swarm BBC Over Controversial Guest... Security Breached... Protesters Break Into Television Centre...

*British Broadcasting Corporation... the longest established and largest broadcaster in the world. The BBC is funded by an annual television licence fee, which is charged to all United Kingdom households using equipment capable of recording and/or receiving live television broadcasts; the level of the fee is set by the UK Government under a multi-year agreement with the Corporation. It operates under a Royal Charter granted by the British monarch.

Anti-Fascist Protesters Swarm BBC
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/media/

regina said...

Anon@15:16,

I watched the Question Time program last night. Nick Griffin had a tough time with the audience and the other panelists. He came across as the racist bigot he is, and Holocaust denier to boot!

It's not a bad thing to have a person like Griffin appear on this type of program. He doesn't have a platform to himself and had to face difficult questions, making it very clear that his party stands for racism, homophobia and general cultural intolerance.

The protests guaranteed high viewing rates, so a lot of people could watch Griffin make a fool of himself.

Let's hope Sarah Palin achieves similar results on Oprah...

Anonymous said...

@Jesse, please look up the definition of "ad hominem." As usual, you don't know what it means.

Anonymous said...

Jesse, on every blog, I try to teach you about logical fallacies. You really need to take a course in them, as you present your "evidence" with them all the time.

Inferences of "lack of wit" applied to a group of people does indeed qualify as an ad hominem attack, as it attacks our character and not our arguments.

If you cannot "argue" without fallacious attacks, why do you bother here?

Anonymous said...

Jesse, you are defending a woman who tried to kill her unborn baby.

Shame on you.

OR she wasn't pregnant, in which case she is a liar and a fraud, and needs mental help.

Either way, you are defending the indefensible.

You can lie to yourself, as you must be doing, but in your heart you know the truth or you wouldn't be here, trying to convince us that we are wrong.

And if you do believe with all your heart, then you've abandoned your critical thinking skills to pay homage to your idol turned goddess, which makes you crazy.

But I suspect that you know she tried to kill her unborn baby in what women call a "fundie abortion" because she didn't want to deal with having a DS baby.

Trig got lucky and survived her cruel and deliberate attempt at killing him.

And you are here defending his abuser. How sad. What do you stand for, anyway?

CrabbyPatty said...

Poor Jesse - At least, I'm grateful that you haven't fallen back on the Old Tried and True, i.e. "All you liberals are just scared of Palin". Gotta give you a bit of credit for that. Beyond that, your debating skills are - how shall we say - on par with your idol Palin.

HuffPo is crazy weird about censoring posts. I've had posts like "Poor Lindsay Lohan - she looks really bad and definitely needs help" CENSORED, and for a while I even tried posting the most basic things like "Wow, Fergie looks great in that picture" and then only half of them were allowed. Crazy.

Anonymous said...

THATCHER PALIN!!!!!

The handlers and ghostwriters of SP are finishing off the GOP. No strong moderates. Wouldn't it be great if she becomes the undisputed leader? No more polls lagging behind Huck and Mitt. IF she makes it to Oprah and isn't punked she will be NUMBER ONE Republican. Margret Thatcher Palin! She may launch her own rouge party. Either way will make news cycles for days.

You've got to admit doing all that in name only while you are busy polluting an already dead lake isn't easy. Did I mention she is a hockey mom and can give birth in a tundra while taking out polar bears?

midnightcajun said...

I have to admit that I visit the Huffpo, but wouldn't if I could find a similar site that really is "liberal." Arianna frequently annoys the hell out of me.

Moderation of comments on a news site, when carried to an extreme, is dishonest. I can see removing offensive remarks. But the comments should be a reflection of the reactions of the people who read the article. If the moderators are cherry picking comments and skewing them one way or another, the result is a farce and not worth bothering with.

On the other hand, I can see someone like AKM keeping her comments section pleasant in order to foster a feeling of community and keep out rancor. But Gryphen, Regina, and Bree have always let the Palinbots come on and show themselves to be ignorant asses. (Yeah, I'm lookin' at you, Jesse C)

Anonymous said...

She Was Proud of Those Clothes Before She Wasn't

Anonymous said...

@Jesse C., here's a good book about logical fallacies. Here's a free excerpt on NONSENSE: http://www.axiosinstitute.org/assets_original/pdfs/nonsense/nonsense_selection.pdf

Anonymous said...

@ 16:29

I'm on pins and needles to see how her new party will dress her.

Anonymous said...

We would see more of this.

Anonymous said...

O/T - Great new post from Lady Rose about how Palin just handed an NY congressional seat to the Dems via her 3rd party endorsement: SANITY RANT

ella said...

"In other Levi news, (Tank) Jones said that he's working on a book about the Palin family. "There's a whole lot of material he hasn't talked about because he wanted to protect the family," Jones says. But since the Palin's have been talking trash about him, Levi isn't keeping quiet anymore."
http://gawker.com/5387972/johnston-watch-90-sure-there-will-be-full-frontal

ginny said...

Anon@16:31, thank you for that link (though it was meant for Jesse). I think President Obama needs to review this section:
"The false mean. This is sometimes called the fallacy of
compromise. Now, there are times when compromise is necessary.
But it is not always a desirable solution. Sometimes an
extreme position is warranted. A doctor tells a patient who is
now smoking two packs of cigarettes a day that he should stop
smoking completely. “I’ll tell you what, doctor,” remarks the
patient. “I’ll cut down to a half a pack a day.” The patient’s
proposed compromise may help, but the doctor’s original suggestion
is better. One school administrator feels that all students
should be required to take mathematics; another feels that no
students should be required to take math. A compromise that
only half the students be required to take math or that all students
be required to take math for only two instead of four years
is unacceptable if, in fact, there is something intrinsically important
about a four-year math program. A desirable solution does
not always lie in compromise." Especially when it comes to Health Care.
Sorry for the OT comment, but couldn't resist after reading that. :-)

Anonymous said...

The Trash We Make
Find a picture, click the participate button, add a title and upload your picture

I haven't found Lake Lucille or the compound in HP trash slideshow. Are there only photos of Lake Lucille beautiful tourist lure shots? Come eat Sarah fish from Lake Lucille? How honest is that? Are the few non-Palinbots in Wasilla allowed to photograph what is happening to their environment? Is is so well white washed that it all looks pretty?

+++++EPA takes legal action against Safety Waste Incineration for violations of federal Clean Air Act
The complaint alleges that SWI’s Wasilla incinerator produces emissions of dioxins/furans, hydrogen chloride, heavy metals, and other pollutants in excess of federal pollution standards. The complaint also alleges that the Olivers violated Clean Air Act monitoring and recordkeeping requirements that apply to hospital, medical, and infectious waste incinerators.

Stop Burning Medical Waste
Stop Burning Medical Waste
Stop Burning Medical Waste

Alaska Federal Court Orders Safety Waste Incineration to Stop Burning Medical Waste, Pay $75,000 Penalty
The Oliver Landfill is closed Monday August 3rd, 2009 for BC Day. (British Columbia? Before Christ?)

Anonymous said...

@Ginny, why don't you send that note to the President? This is a crucial day to show support for the public option.

conscious at last said...

Hey Folks- I suspect that
Jesse Cornish (JC) is actually John Coale (JC) the husband of GVS and the Scientologist who tries to play Henry Higgins with SP. That is why he is able to express himself a bit more clearly than most Palinistas. He knows that Trig isn't her child. He knows all of the dirt and lies that are part of the Palin record. He is just trying to use whatever "bling" SP still has left to his advantage-- to somehow "progess" the Scientologist cause. One of the Alaskan bloggers had a wonderful article about him recently. (Was that you Helen ? )

So anyhow, if I am right-- we can stop wasting our time with him. He is just playing with us. Go away John- go salivate over your
9x12 glossy of the Ice Queen.

Anonymous said...

It doesn't matter who it is.

Feed them and they will love you.

Anonymous said...

@Conscious, I suspect "Jesse" is a lot younger than John Coale. But I agree we should stop playing with him. He makes me feel far too superior. I am usually quite a humble guy.

Karen said...

I agree that we should ignore Jesse Cornishs' comments. He is succeeding at disrupting the positive flow of communication. He seems to intentionally trying to be a troll.

ginny said...

Anon@17:43

Done! Great idea!

Anonymous said...

midnightcajun,
Huffington P is convenient, even useful at times.

"A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location. I'm not one though who would attribute it to being man-made."
Sarah Palin August 2008

I'm waiting for her next book on how the death of Lake Lucille was natures way.

The Democrats new best friend did make the HP's Most Dangerous Global Warming Deniers slideshow list.

Back in the day when I knew Adrianna she was more like Sarah Palin then not. Big on promoting her gigantic family values and crime fighting farce. She set up mousy Mike to take on immigration and forgot to look in her own house.

Patrick said...

In the new HuffPost frontpage-story about Palin's endorsement of third-party candidate Doug Hoffman, I left a comment about the "Oprah" HuffPost story...one has to be resourceful. ;-)

HuffPost: Sarah Palin endorses Doug Hoffman

not that sarah said...

I left this on that article, Patrick:

"The GOP knows she can NOT win. They'll let Romney and Huckabee destroy her in the primaries if she puts one patent-leather red peep-toe anywhere near their presidential candidacy. Now, she's a bircher and an AIP supporter, so her going "rogue"/3rd party white suprma cist sec essionist would not be a departure from her previous "platforms".

The good thing about her going 3rd party is it would finally drag those foaming neanderthals out of the GOP and then maybe we'd get a real Republican party built on ideas again.

Course in the short run, she'd have kil led the GOP -- but they deserve that for running her as VP with the oldest guy to run for POTUS."


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/23/palin-endorses-hoffman-sn_n_331279.html

ginny said...

Patrick,

I did that, too. Maybe on a different article. But I'm getting fed up with HuffPo. :-(

Anonymous said...

Whatever happened to SOFUN?

wv: burkersi .. beserker?

Anonymous said...

Here's a new HuffPost link:

Woman gives birth on plane; gets free rides for life

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/23/liew-siaw-hsia-gives-birt_n_331720.html

Note at the bottom of the article: Then she dumped the baby.

Sound like something that could have happened somewhere between our second biggest state and the first biggest oen?

Karen said...

PLEASE, EVERYONE WHO CARES ABOUT BABYGATE, TRY TO POST OVER AT HUFFINGTON POST, CAN SOMEONE MAKE A LINK? CAREFUL TO BE VAGUE WITH LANGUAGE. THERE ARE ONLY 134 POSTS SO FAR & IT LOOKS GOOD FOR GETTING THIS IN THE MAINSTREAM.

Anonymous said...

Remember that photo of SP with that con con material? Bet she really isn't a republican anyway, just said so. Like she said she was pregnant and wasn't. I think she is deceitful and spews venom; while using people or whatever to achieve her seven mountain agenda.

http://blowpoppalin.blogspot.com/2009/08/todd-and-sarah-palins-radical-agenda.html

I would try to post that photo at HuffPost, but why try?

Anonymous said...

Todd and Track are not Republicans. The AIP friends said to use the Republicans to get elected. She never cared about the party.

CrabbyPatty said...

John Coale? Wasn't he the guy in the background of a picture at some Alaskan snowmachine race wistfully staring at Palin (I think Piper and Palin were in the foreground)? He had that sort of pathetic "I worship the ground those Naughty Monkeys trend upon" look on his face.

Amy1 said...

Yes, in that photo with that look, Crabby Patty, and he is also the husband of Greta and they are both big Scientology peeps.

NakedTruth said...

Hey have you all seen the article on HuffPost about a 31 year old woman giving birth on a plane? She was 27 weeks along. I tried to post a comment about the 'wild ride' on this post but I don't think it got through. Sarah Palin is not as careless as the 'wild ride' made her out to be. She was just not pregnant - end of story.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/23/liew-siaw-hsia-gives-birt_n_331720.html

Lisabeth said...

Regina, you are right sorry! I woke up in the middle of the night and must have looked at the wrong page. Also for about 1/2 an hour I couldn't get on any blogger site-it kept saying ERROR so I didni know what was going on.

I find Jesse to be a jerk frankly. I'd ban him if it was my blog but it isn't. He isn't interested in any real exchange-you can tell that because he won't admit a single negative about Palin. He argues not by presenting facts, but just by insisting we're wrong.

Watch / hey Jesse so are you stating on the record that Sarah is the birth mother of Trig? What facts do you have to back that up or is it just your belief? You mentioned written "testimony"- there is none, there just isn't.
Also if you found out she lied about this, would you still support her?" By the way, answering questions with a question isn't an honest way of answering. I think you are full of it. Let's see if you'll answer these in an honest way based on facts, not by saying "I know you are wrong and I'll be here to say it" ( what an asshole comment by the way-so arrogant-). Why do you know "for a fact" we are wrong-back this up with proof. My guess is you will answer these questions with more full of crap empty words-like "I don't have to prove anything, you do." So far discussion with you is like talking to a big thick brick which is why I think you should be banned. But it's not my blog:)

Amy1 said...

Yes NakedTruth -- I always come back to Audrey's hilarious line: "SP was sure she would not give birth on the plane for the same reason I am sure I will not give birth when I get on a plane: I am not pregnant."

Anonymous said...

I would try to post that photo at HuffPost, PHOTO

Patrick said...

What's going on? Why are politicians so scared to answer questions these days...?

This story should be satire or a tale from a banana republic, but it's apparently true:

"Now this is something that doesn't happen every day. The campaign of Dede Scozzafava, the moderate Republican candidate who is in a three-way race with a Democrat and a Conservative Party candidate in the NY-23 special election, called the police on a Weekly Standard reporter for asking her too many questions.

The Standard's John McCormack reported that he asked Scozzafava repeated questions about her support for the Employee Free Choice Act, her positions on health care, taxes and abortion. After a staffer got in between him and the candidate, he followed her to the parking lot and kept trying to ask questions.

Then things got interesting:

After she got into her car, I went to my car and fired up my laptop to report the evening's events.

Minutes later a police car drove into the parking lot with its lights flashing. Officer Grolman informed me that she was called because "there was a little bit of an uncomfortable situation" and then took down my name, date of birth, and address.

"Maybe we do things a little differently here, but you know, persistence in that area, you scared the candidate a little bit," Officer Grolman told me."

GOP Campaign In NY-23 Calls The Police On Weekly Standard Reporter

Kathleen said...

The HuffPo article about the woman who gave birth on a plane appears to be unmoderated.

It is definitely worth trying to post there regarding Palin's wild ride.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/23/liew-siaw-hsia-gives-birt_n_331720.html

Anonymous said...

If Scozzafava can't take the heat wtf is she doing in politics?

She needs a few lessons from the queen of all press.

Sarah Palin to announce pregnacy # 6 and her new party on Oprah

This time she will forego the long tiresome energy drain of a two month long gestation and promises to birth mid flight. BREAKING PHOTO HERE.....

HuffPo doesn't even have this hot story yet!

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the article Patrick.

Scozzafava is running as a candidate in a special election. She should be prepared to answer questions asked of her by reporters. She shouldn't forget that she wants to be a representative of the people and as such we want answers to those questions so we understand what it is she stands for.

These days politicians seem to believe that they are not accountable to us. It's about time that they realised that they are!

Anonymous said...

anon@20.29

I don't think that I could stand another Sarah Palin pregnancy.........

Patrick said...

Kathleen 20:25

Yep, just left a comment there, it's unmoderated!! But I didn't call SP by her name, just "quittypants".

Anonymous said...

Did anyone ever think that the reason why they will not cover it is because IT IS A LIE. I know that this post will never see the light of day but like the person that said that this was bogus, I also spoke to people in Alaska and they unanimously said that Gov.Palin was pregnant (even coming from some that do not feel favorably towards her). If anyone saw the picture of her in April where she is swollen up to her face, they would realize that she was pregnant. Now, on another note, does anyone think that a pregnant teenager who JUST gave birth to a child and realized that it was not a good thing at that time of her life, would get pregnant again two weeks before she gave birth? Other than it being a biological impossibility, but we all know that common sense is what is lacking in some people. Now, we all know that this post will never be posted because God forbid, that normal reasoning should have a forum.

EyeOnYou said...

Oh my favorite nickname for Palin is "The Bitter Quitter". It seems to be a perfect fit. ;)

Anon @ 20:37..if Sarah Palin was pregnant again, this one would only take 5 minutes from start to finish so it would be over and done with before you know it! ;)

Patrick said...

Everybody:

Please comment on this article on HuffPost right now, the comments are still unmoderated!

Liew Siaw Hsia Gives Birth On Board Plane Over Malaysia, Will Get Free Flights For Life

EyeOnYou said...

Anon @20:45
You can get pregnant while pregnant. Although rare, it can happen. It is called: SUPERFETATION. So it is not "biologically impossible" as you claim.

While you may feel that this story is a lie, others do not. There are those who live in Alaska who have stated that they do not believe she was pregnant, so there are two sides to this when it comes to who says what.

Perhaps you are unused to posting at places where a different viewpoint is allowed. That is not the case here, and as long as you are respectful, Regina allows all viewpoints for open communication and discussion. It's a nice change isn't it?

Anonymous said...

@20:45 - we have covered all of that before. There are plenty of people who said she did NOT look pregnant in AK as well, including lots of Republicans. Check out the April 8, 2008, photo below, 10 days before she "gave birth" at age 44 after traveling thousands and thousands of miles by air in her last trimester:

http://palingates.blogspot.com/2009/10/sarah-palins-ifs-and-buts.html

Also, if Bristol gave birth, it wasn't on the announced day in April, so it isn't impossible at all.

Patrick said...

Haha...this is music in my ears ;-)

ABC: Palin 'Going Rogue', and Helping the Democrats

http://bit.ly/27J8pE

"These groups have singled out Dede Scozzafava, who they believe is too liberal, and they have started a national “Dump Dede” campaign. “They’re all making a concerted effort for Doug Hoffman,” says Erick Erickson of Redstate.com, “and they’re making New York a last stand.” Erickson told Politico, “New York should be a hill to die on for conservative activists.”

Bill Owens, the Democrat is now leading in the polls. By siphoning votes from Scozzafava, Sarah Palin and company may actually accomplish something Democrats haven’t done in 138 years…elect a Democrat."

Barb Dwyer said...

anon 20:45

I live in Alaska and I can tell you for a FACT that SP was not pregnant. I don't know who you've been talking to (I seriously DOUBT they are Alaskans) but they are flat wrong.

There's a reason why she won't release EITHER birth certificate and that's because the dates would not match up to what she claims. So it being a "biological impossibilty" (which it is not to begin with) the point is moot. It's a part of the hoax. I don't why I waste my time responding to trolls like you quite frankly. Go to the sea of urine, they will love you there.

SP is a demonstrative LIAR. Please PLEASE tell me just one thing this woman has EVER said that is the truth. I've known the quitta' from Wasilla since '92 and I haven't known her to speak a single truth yet

Patrick said...

Barb Dwyer, however, is speaking the truth.

Thanks for the comment!

Anonymous said...

20:45

Audrey @ Palin's Deception and others have been reasonable and detailed when people will take the time to learn what we are saying.

Palin did look pregnant in the April photo you mention.

Please take the time help us understand this photo. It was taken March 26, 2008. I'm not saying there isn't a reasonable explanation of how she was so trim at the end of March and in 3-4 weeks she was so large.
I'm saying: NOT ONE PERSON HAS BEEN ABLE TO GIVE A REASONABLE EXPLANATION.

There are other variations of her stomach and examples. Just this one tiny reasonable explanation would be appreciated.

Barb Dwyer said...

Here's the link to the email exchange between the editor (Pat Dougherty) of the Anchorage Daily News and SP. Notice when they get to the issue of Trigs birth and the editor offers to help "kill the nonsense once and for all" offering SP many ways to do it. She shuts down the communication.

"To date, there has been no response from the governor, or acknowledgement of any kind. I did receive a "return receipt" indicating that the email had been opened."

http://community.adn.com/adn/node/136523

The sudden silence after all her previous psychotic rants at him speaks for itself

Amy1 said...

Barb Dwyer: Thank you for posting. Can you give us any more detail? If you can't, I respect that.

Esp about the dates: we have come to that conclusion, too (that T1 was "presented" on Apr 18 but born weeks earlier), but any tiny additional fact or shred of info about how you know that would be so appreciated.

Jesse Cornish said...

""" Anonymous said...
@Jesse, please look up the definition of "ad hominem." As usual, you don't know what it means."""

I will demonstrate otherwise.

""" Anonymous said...
Jesse, on every blog, I try to teach you about logical fallacies. You really need to take a course in them, as you present your "evidence" with them all the time.

Inferences of "lack of wit" applied to a group of people does indeed qualify as an ad hominem attack, as it attacks our character and not our arguments.

If you cannot "argue" without fallacious attacks, why do you bother here?"""

No, I just called you witless. I didn't say, "You people are witless, therefore your arguments are worthless." I've already addressed several of your arguments already in prior posts.

It is a common mistake to think that personal attacks are ad hominems. It is an easy one to make.

""" Anonymous said...
@Jesse C., here's a good book about logical fallacies. Here's a free excerpt on NONSENSE: http://www.axiosinstitute.org/assets_original/pdfs/nonsense/nonsense_selection.pdf"""

Already have one.

Barb Dwyer said...

Amy1

I have been in contact with Patrick as to what I know, and I will continue to give him information as more facts are revealed. Rest assured there ARE boots on the ground in Alaska working on this from many, many different angles

ginny said...

Seriously, everyone, it's best just to stop responding to JC. He simply has no information, is not interested in a true discussion, and is obviously basking in the negative attention. He provides no evidence or information, he just stirs the pot to get attention. Ignore him and he will look for the attention elsewhere.

Amy1 said...

Barb Dwyer -- Yes, I think Dougherty handled that very cleverly: by claiming to be on SP's side (and thus not angering his advertisers or bosses at a very difficult time financially and in terms of intra-newspaper, intra-office politics), Dougherty still managed to allow SP's to confirm her guilt in the hoax by offering her every opportunity of whatever kind to offer a convincing denial. And she did not. As others have said, it speaks volumes, and Dougherty knows it, and so do we all. Even if some of us choose to deny it.

Amy1 said...

Barb Dwyer@22:54: That's the best news you could give! Thank you. And please know that there are many of us out here who do not need to know everything (only when the time is right), respect your sense of timing and judgment, AND are eager to support you in any way. Just ask.

Jesse Cornish said...

""" Lisabeth said...
Regina, you are right sorry! I woke up in the middle of the night and must have looked at the wrong page. Also for about 1/2 an hour I couldn't get on any blogger site-it kept saying ERROR so I didni know what was going on.

I find Jesse to be a jerk frankly. I'd ban him if it was my blog but it isn't. He isn't interested in any real exchange-you can tell that because he won't admit a single negative about Palin. He argues not by presenting facts, but just by insisting we're wrong.

Watch / hey Jesse so are you stating on the record that Sarah is the birth mother of Trig? What facts do you have to back that up or is it just your belief? You mentioned written "testimony"- there is none, there just isn't.
Also if you found out she lied about this, would you still support her?" By the way, answering questions with a question isn't an honest way of answering. I think you are full of it. Let's see if you'll answer these in an honest way based on facts, not by saying "I know you are wrong and I'll be here to say it" ( what an asshole comment by the way-so arrogant-). Why do you know "for a fact" we are wrong-back this up with proof. My guess is you will answer these questions with more full of crap empty words-like "I don't have to prove anything, you do." So far discussion with you is like talking to a big thick brick which is why I think you should be banned. But it's not my blog:)"""

I haven't lied and tried to destroy a family. I haven't for all intents and purposes stalked another woman. This is pathetic. We have the witnesses. We have the doctor's statement. Sarah Palin was pregnant with Trig, by almost everyone's estimation. However, you people disagree based on the observations of a few armchair analysts. This time the burden of proof is on you. You have not met that burden of proof. However, I have given you the means to possibly reach it.

Give me the testimony of six doctors who will go on record and say that Sarah Palin is not pregnant based on the photos you hold so dear to your heart. Go ahead, just try.

Jesse Cornish said...

""" Anonymous said...
I remember listening to archived radio talk early on following her nomination, wherein Palin laughed out loud when Green was called 'a bitch'.

That sealed it for me.

A 'Christian' laughing at a cancer battler when she is called a 'bitch'. Actually, any woman politician laughing when another office holder is called a 'bitch.'

Explain that one away, Cornish. You are backing a woman with a very black heart who is trafficking in religion, then stomping all over it with her Naughty Monkey shoes."""

I am not here to discuss that. Let's discuss what you call babygate. Maybe you can find that doctor who is willing to go on record and support you? I've asked many times.

""" Anonymous said...
Jesse, you are defending a woman who tried to kill her unborn baby.

Shame on you.

OR she wasn't pregnant, in which case she is a liar and a fraud, and needs mental help.

Either way, you are defending the indefensible.

You can lie to yourself, as you must be doing, but in your heart you know the truth or you wouldn't be here, trying to convince us that we are wrong.

And if you do believe with all your heart, then you've abandoned your critical thinking skills to pay homage to your idol turned goddess, which makes you crazy.

But I suspect that you know she tried to kill her unborn baby in what women call a "fundie abortion" because she didn't want to deal with having a DS baby.

Trig got lucky and survived her cruel and deliberate attempt at killing him.

And you are here defending his abuser. How sad. What do you stand for, anyway?"""

You have no way of knowing that, unless you can simply peer into the depths of Palin's soul.

""" CrabbyPatty said...
Poor Jesse - At least, I'm grateful that you haven't fallen back on the Old Tried and True, i.e. "All you liberals are just scared of Palin". Gotta give you a bit of credit for that. Beyond that, your debating skills are - how shall we say - on par with your idol Palin.

HuffPo is crazy weird about censoring posts. I've had posts like "Poor Lindsay Lohan - she looks really bad and definitely needs help" CENSORED, and for a while I even tried posting the most basic things like "Wow, Fergie looks great in that picture" and then only half of them were allowed. Crazy."""

Really? I am not here to merely debate, but to inquire. I have asked questions that no has any answers to. That should raise some red flags.


""" have to admit that I visit the Huffpo, but wouldn't if I could find a similar site that really is "liberal." Arianna frequently annoys the hell out of me.

Moderation of comments on a news site, when carried to an extreme, is dishonest. I can see removing offensive remarks. But the comments should be a reflection of the reactions of the people who read the article. If the moderators are cherry picking comments and skewing them one way or another, the result is a farce and not worth bothering with.

On the other hand, I can see someone like AKM keeping her comments section pleasant in order to foster a feeling of community and keep out rancor. But Gryphen, Regina, and Bree have always let the Palinbots come on and show themselves to be ignorant asses. (Yeah, I'm lookin' at you, Jesse C)"""

That is absurd, and a lie. Jesse Griffin frequently censors me. I can't blame him though, as I call him out on his lies.

Anonymous said...

@Ginny, 22:58, ITA!

Anonymous said...

Please ignore JC. He is a distraction.

Anonymous said...

Hey, O/T, I am so excited that Tina Fey is "donning the Bump It" again! I wonder if she will show up on SNL the week of 11/16 or before?

Anonymous said...

@Regina, I love this quote from your latest post: "There are many shades of liberal and conservative, and we cannot agree with each other all the time – but we should all seek the truth together. That’s all I ask for."

The pursuit of truth is such an important goal. I agree that this is an issue which transcends political affiliation. You put it so well and thanks for reminding us of this.

There are many, many conservatives who are disgusted with everything SP stands for. And all they want is the truth about her 2 years in office as an elected AK governor (in a position she QUIT) to be revealed, and for justice to be served.

Amy1 said...

Ginny22:58 -- ITA2

Patrick said...

Anon 23:22

Ehhmm...it is my post. Regina has "promoted" me, I am now a regular blogger here at palingates. ;-)

Patrick said...

Can we PLEASE stop to feed the troll. Don't respond to JC, please.

Anon 23:22 said...

Oh, I am so sorry for the misattribution, Patrick! Well, you've written a great peroration. And I am so grateful that you and Regina blog here. I am a big fan!

Patrick said...

@Barb Dwyer

I am extremely thankful for your efforts! It's good to have so active and well connected friends in Alaska.

Patrick said...

Anon 23:22 & 23:38

Thanks a lot for your kind words!

Anonymous said...

Warning. More Sarah. Complete with instructions.

Anonymous said...

DO NOT feed the trolls.

Just ignore them and they will shuffle away back under their bridge in Urineville.

Anonymous said...

Did the flight attendants notice?
Some think Liew Siaw Hsia is irresponsible to fly at 27 weeks pregnant.

Anonymous said...

Sarah Palin must really despise, loathe and hate Trig - and her family.

She could end all of this craziness about her being the real bio mom in just a few minutes with the proper documentation.

Instead, Trig could go his whole life with uncertainty about who he really is. All because of Selfish Sarah. Truly shameful and horrendous. Worst mother ever.

Barb Dwyer said...

The flight attendants have been interviewed about the wild ride and they had no knowledge there was a pregnant woman aboard. Of course SP couldn't go through security with the fake belly so it only makes sense no notice was taken.

I don't think enough emphasis has been put on the HAPE (high altitude pulmonary edema) factor and DS babies. Flight in general in NOT recommended and can be very dangerous, yet SP logged some 7000 air miles over the last few months of her fake pregnancy. Absolutely nothing about the story adds up

Patrick said...

Good point with HAPE, Barb Dwyer!

This issue really should have mentioned earlier in more detail.

We are actually working on a post about Sarah's "mistakes" she made during her "pregnancy", and we planned to mention it, too.

Patrick said...

....should have been mentioned earlier...

conscious at last said...

For a very good discussion about SP, Scientologists, John Coale and possible plans for a Third Party with Palin as a leader-- go to
nalinpalinnow.blogspot.com---there is a live link here on Regina's (& and now Patrick's yeah!)sidebar. The article was on 4/23/09 exactly six months ago. It's a long article, but important and can be scanned because this blogger is a thoughtful writer and summarized the important stuff in large bold letters!

Barb Dwyer said...

Keep in mind that the Trooper plane used to transport the Queen around the state isn't pressurized either. HAPE occurs to professional climbers on Denali (Mt. Mckinley for those outside AK) on a regular basis. The Troopers puddle jumping plane would fly at similar altitudes

ArmchairJane said...

Thanks Barb and Patrick for mentioning the risk of HAPE.
I have been meaning to mention that, and remember that HAPE is just one possible result of a patent ductus arteriosus (PDA) aka "hole in the heart", that can result from a birth at high altitude, PARTICULARLY in a premature infant and at the VERY high altitude of a commercial flight.

Even though the cabin is pressurized, the actual oxygen content of the air is lower than normal, enough lower that it could make an inflight delivery of a premature infant even MORE dangerous.

ArmchairJane said...

Forget to mention in the comment above that the low oxygen levels flying at altitude contribute to making it really hard for the PDA to close. This can be a very vicious cycle of not enough oxygen AND the PDA causing improper circulation with not enough oxygen to major organs.

Anonymous said...

The risk of umbilical prolapse may have increased once she began leaking. Only the baby would experience the symptoms, she wouldn't have known anything.

Anonymous said...

Yes. Please. Please ignore J. Cornish. He's a distraction of the worst kind--all bluster, no brains. (Sort of like SP, I guess!)

Anonymous said...

I have never commented here before, but the word verification is WormSSod. Awesome choice of words in describing Queen Palin.

I love your blog and the truth shall seep out soon. Awesome job everyone.

Anonymous said...

And you thought Sarah Palin was bad news.
Hereeeees Johnny
It’s the Battle over the Internet! As a rule of thumb, it’s best to side with the non-John McCain/Republican/corporate lobbyist side.

Anonymous said...

I always thought the one photo of Sarah were she actually looks swollen (I think she has a coat and scarf on and todd is behind her slighty) was becasue she was up all night crying or something. Have you ever experienced that - you wake up totally swollen like that when you've really had an upsetting night? Thats what she look like. Also, maybe she had alot of salty TB food and then had a crying jag!

Patrick said...

I know that probably most of our readers read Immoral Minority anyway, but

DON’T MISS THIS CLIP THAT GRYPHEN HAS JUST POSTED

:-)

Lisabeth said...

Jesses response to my questions prove he is full of it and is a waste of time to have a discussion with. If he's paid, he is an ass. If he believes in Sarah, then I really feel sorry for him in a way. Either way, he adds nothing in favor of Sarah being the birth mother-he keeps repeating we have a letter from the doctor. Really? Do we? Anyone who works in the medical profession knows Sarahs story is nonsense and the letter is not believable. Sarah might have written it. It isn't high level vocabulary and it certainly is NOT testimony.

The thing that irks me is his comment about how we are trying to ruin her life. Duh sorry but no. Ruin her political life? You betcha! She is a pathologic liar who hurt many citizens in Alaska and she is not fit to be in local or national politics. She quit her job, giving up 1/2 way through and she is polarizing and harmful to our country. If another politician lied like her, I would do the same thing.
If she hadn't used Trig for political purposes, then it would be none of our business. But that is obviously not the case.

It's kind of funny the way he responded to my 3 questions, just as I thought , he didn't. It would be so easy for Sarah to prove She gave birth to Trig and she doesn't. There is too much wrong with the whole story. Some are mad they gave money to Sarah because of her supposed choice to have Trig despite his diagnosis. Now they feel lied to and cheated and I don't blame them!

Onward- I like the gawker post about Levi today!!

Eileen said...

Permanent Time Out for Jesse, doesn't work well with others. This blog has a serious mission. The text of his posts should be highlighted in different color so we can just ignore.
RickA.Hyatt icon/post is lovely as well.

Anonymous said...

Thank you, Ms. Dwyer!

Sorry, Patrick. But I feel compelled to share this info with Jesse, he asked. From the Palin Place Blog.

"My gynecologist's final word on the matter is that in her professional opinion is that there is no way that this could be medically possible. I then took all of the coverings off the faces in the pictures and showed her who it was. She was shocked! She said, 'I can't believe more people don't know about this.'

http://www.palinpeytonplace.com/ob-gyn-shocked.html

Jesse Cornish said...

""" Anonymous said...
Thank you, Ms. Dwyer!

Sorry, Patrick. But I feel compelled to share this info with Jesse, he asked. From the Palin Place Blog.

"My gynecologist's final word on the matter is that in her professional opinion is that there is no way that this could be medically possible. I then took all of the coverings off the faces in the pictures and showed her who it was. She was shocked! She said, 'I can't believe more people don't know about this.'

http://www.palinpeytonplace.com/ob-gyn-shocked.html"""

What is the name of the doctor? Where does she work? As far as I know, this story is entirely made up. And most likely, it is.

Anonymous said...

Patrick, you are so right about the clip at IM. That explains so much!

Anonymous said...

@3:44, I know what you mean. I used to look like that after an emotional night as well. Thank goodness I don't have to do that anymore.

Anonymous said...

I can't wait for more members of the GOP to scold Palin. It's gonna happen. Newt endorsed the Republican Palin dissed in NYC.

Jesse Cornish said...

I think I glossed over your earlier post without giving it the thought it deserved.

""" Lisabeth said...
Regina, you are right sorry! I woke up in the middle of the night and must have looked at the wrong page. Also for about 1/2 an hour I couldn't get on any blogger site-it kept saying ERROR so I didni know what was going on.

I find Jesse to be a jerk frankly."""

That's your opinion.

"""
I'd ban him if it was my blog but it isn't."""

You apparently don't like dissent. Not very liberal of you, yes?

I don't censor comments on my own blog, and if someone is looking for a debate I'll take them up on that.

"""
He isn't interested in any real exchange-you can tell that because he won't admit a single negative about Palin."""

I am discussing the central theme of this blog-the so-called "babygate."

""" He argues not by presenting facts, but just by insisting we're wrong."""

Well, you are wrong, but I have presented facts. I have presented eywitness testimony and the doctor's letter. That constitutes a very solid case in my favor.

"""
Watch / hey Jesse so are you stating on the record that Sarah is the birth mother of Trig? What facts do you have to back that up or is it just your belief?"""

Just mentioned them.


"""
You mentioned written "testimony"- there is none, there just isn't."""

What do you mean there just "isn't"? Do you simply plug your ears and ignore the cold, hard facts?

We have the letter. All signs point toward the inevitable truth, that it is genuine. If you feel otherwise, you could always present expert analysis to lend credence to your side. But right now, you're just sticking your head in the sand.

"""
Also if you found out she lied about this, would you still support her?"""

That's an academic question. Sarah Palin gave birth to Trig Palin.


"""
By the way, answering questions with a question isn't an honest way of answering."""

I use more than one method of inquiry.

"""
I think you are full of it. Let's see if you'll answer these in an honest way based on facts, not by saying "I know you are wrong and I'll be here to say it" ( what an asshole comment by the way-so arrogant-). Why do you know "for a fact" we are wrong-back this up with proof."""

I can repost the links without any trouble.

"""
My guess is you will answer these questions with more full of crap empty words-like "I don't have to prove anything, you do." So far discussion with you is like talking to a big thick brick which is why I think you should be banned. But it's not my blog:)
"""

So willing to ban those with whom you disagree. You would make a wonderful dictator. But I digress. The burden of proof is on you. Sarah Palin has more than demostrated that she is the mother Trig. Now its up to you to prove otherwise.

Anonymous said...

So excited to see Tina Fey do another impersonation of Quittypants!

Jesse Cornish said...

"""Jesses response to my questions prove he is full of it and is a waste of time to have a discussion with. If he's paid, he is an ass. If he believes in Sarah, then I really feel sorry for him in a way. Either way, he adds nothing in favor of Sarah being the birth mother-he keeps repeating we have a letter from the doctor. Really? Do we? Anyone who works in the medical profession knows Sarahs story is nonsense and the letter is not believable. Sarah might have written it. It isn't high level vocabulary and it certainly is NOT testimony.

The thing that irks me is his comment about how we are trying to ruin her life. Duh sorry but no. Ruin her political life? You betcha! She is a pathologic liar who hurt many citizens in Alaska and she is not fit to be in local or national politics. She quit her job, giving up 1/2 way through and she is polarizing and harmful to our country. If another politician lied like her, I would do the same thing.
If she hadn't used Trig for political purposes, then it would be none of our business. But that is obviously not the case.

It's kind of funny the way he responded to my 3 questions, just as I thought , he didn't. It would be so easy for Sarah to prove She gave birth to Trig and she doesn't. There is too much wrong with the whole story. Some are mad they gave money to Sarah because of her supposed choice to have Trig despite his diagnosis. Now they feel lied to and cheated and I don't blame them!"""

Who are these people in the medical profession you refer to? Provide one name.

Jesse Cornish said...

""" Anonymous said...
Yes. Please. Please ignore J. Cornish. He's a distraction of the worst kind--all bluster, no brains. (Sort of like SP, I guess!)

24 October 2009 02:59"""

And of course, the geniuses here have been so successful in answering a few of my simple questions.

Anonymous said...

I just reread this thread from Sept 5, 2008.

http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/87079

WOW! Could those pro-Palin supporters have been more wrong???

It is so great to have a year's perspective and see how wrong they were with all their predictions.

Anonymous said...

Just for old times' sake, I looked up this gem from the end of July: "Last state twitter. Thank you Alaska! I love you. God bless Alaska. God bless the U.S.A."

I cannot wait for Levi to tell us why Sarah Palin quit. It's still an unsolved mystery.

Anonymous said...

IMHO, this is still one of the best links to a comprehensive list of all of Palin's crazy lies:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/07/the-odd-lies-of-sarah-palin-a-roundup.html

Maybe Andrew Sullivan will write a book about her and how she ruined the GOP.

Anonymous said...

I notice that J. Cornish is still trying to enter the fray, but no one is giving him any attention. Keep up the good work, Palingates folks!!

Barb Dwyer said...

anon: 5:51

Actually that's a very small sample of the whoppers she has told. Just since she came off the VP campaign trail while still in office the list would go into the hundreds of bald faced lies. She's obviously pathological. Our legislature even came out and said she "flat out lied"

What went on the last few months with her was an absolute embarassment to everyone in Alaska. The appointment of a democratic senator to replace the vacant seat, she turned into a giant circus. These things don't make national news, but up here everyone just scratches their head and wonders how anyone could possibly be so stupid and so incompetent.

Unfortunately our journalists are just as inept (see gryphens blog) and she has used that to her advantage. I was told by a reporter from Time magazine once that Alaska is where struggling journalists come to try and learn the business. Of course Miss Degree in journalism couldn't even cut it as a sports reporter up here. Just another job she QUIT.

She's pathetic and a total fraud. Soon everyone will realize that. There's really nothing more despicable than a liar for Jesus and she's become the poster child for that

Anonymous said...

Unless you have definite, unequivocal proof, you are only being a "birther". Yes, I do believe that Obama was born in the USA, and at least Sarah has been vetted more than tnan any politician right now. I believe that she gave birth to Trig, if not only because she had the "pregnant face". Regina, you must remember that face, when it is so swollen that you look at yourself in the mirror and wonder if it will ever become normal again. Since you have shown us pictures of your child, I think that you must remember that time, My MIL gave birth to my husband and no one knew she was pregnant and he weighed over nine pounds when he was born. My Mom was pregand with me and her doctor was leaving the country for vacation and I was "taken out" early because she was confortable with her obstetrician and even though my birth was "high risk" she wanted her doctor. I was supposed to be a child of "Pro-Choice" and my mom chose LIFE. I guess that it worked out for her because or all of her children, I am the one that takes care of her.

Anonymous said...

Liew Siaw Hsia Gives Birth On Board Plane Over Malaysia, Will Get Free Flights For Life


KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — A Malaysian woman who gave premature birth to a boy on board an airplane minutes before it landed will get free flights for life along with her child, an airline official said Friday.

Liew Siaw Hsia, 31, gave birth on budget carrier AirAsia's flight from Penang to Kuching on Wednesday.

AirAsia spokesman Nazatul Mokhtar said Friday that the flight was diverted to nearby Kuala Lumpur for an emergency landing when Liew started labor pains. He says Liew was 27 weeks pregnant, 11 weeks short of the full term.

A doctor on the flight helped the woman deliver while the plane was still 2,000 feet (600 meters) in the air in its final approach to land.

Mother and son were rushed to a nearby hospital after the plane landed, an airline statement said. Their condition late Friday was unknown, though Nazatul said earlier that they were both in good shape.

Nazatul says both Liew and her son will get lifetime of free flights.



Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/23/liew-siaw-hsia-gives-birt_n_331720.html







Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/23/liew-siaw-hsia-gives-birt_n_331720.html

Anonymous said...

RATS keep jumping ship Ivy Frye has deleted her Twitter account.

http://twitter.com/Ivyfrye

Anonymous said...

It is obvious that Mr. Jesse Cornish feeds off of people telling him he is a stupid jerk. If we don't argue with him, at some point he will realize that his time spent here is a total waste. We are all 100% believers in the HOAX that is Palin. Your rants and raves will not convince us. Most of us have been here for over a year and nothing will sway us. So.....for now, I say we all just ignore Mr. Jesse. We have better things to do like take aerial photos of Chateau Palin and investigating the faked doctor letter. Focus Team, focus! We don't need to waste our valuable time arguing with Whackadoodle Cornish. Hey Jesse...have a great day, OK? Sherlock......You betcha!

Anonymous said...

I think mr. cornish sounds a little familiar. same writing style as ram or maybe one of the henchmen?

Barb Dwyer said...

It's not RAM, unless RAM believes she is $P's boyfriend. Read through his blog, somebody should. He has no hits, no followers and no comments after many months of doing it. It's all rather sad in a twisted kind of way. He writes like he's her boyfriend, or at least REALLY wishes he could be.

I don't think ya got enough money though Jesse. She runs with the big frauds now.

regina said...

I wrote two posts about Down Syndrome that mention HAPE:

Sarah Palin and Down's Syndrome

Sarah Palin, baby, fluids, risks and the doctor

sg said...

Patrick:

Have you tried communicating directly with the author of the article, Glynnis MacNicol? She seems to have a more-than-passing familiarity with babygate. This comes through more in her posting about Levi's VF article:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/sarah-palin-wanted-to-secretly-adopt-her-grandchild-and-other-levi-johnston-revelations/

It's hard to tell from GM's unserious (breezy, Gawker-like) writing style whether she believes in the hoax or not. It would nevertheless be interesting to get her reaction to the key facts (some of which she might not be aware of).

BTW, I would disagree with your characterization of mediaite as conservative. A better description might be "corporatist" (which could tilt left or right, depending on who's paying). It was founded by Dan Abrams, former general manager of MSNBC, who you may recall had his own show in the time slot now occupied by Rachel Maddow (KO famously feuded with Abrams, and got him booted). Abrams is not a progressive like KO or RM, but he's no conservative, either.

I don't know much about MacNicol, other than she used to be at Mediabistro. She does twitter, though:

http://twitter.com/glynnmacN

Patrick said...

@sg:

I sent an email to mediaite, addressed to Glynnis MacNicol, and I hope that she has received it. She has not responded yet.

Thanks for your info about mediaite. You might be right, "corporatist" might be the correct description, but in any case, it's not a liberal website from what I have seen.

It still remains to see when the first journalist in the MSM starts to touch the pregnancy issue in a serious way. I have read two books by Jack Anderson recently, "Confessions of a Muckraker" and "Peace, War and Politics", and he would have eaten Sarah Palin for breakfast. Sadly, he is not amongst us any more.

hannah said...

Bottom line re. why I don't give much attention to Jesse Cornball is that he constantly gives as 'proof' that SP birthed Trig-- the 'testimony' of CBJ. How many tomes have you heard him reference the "doctor's letter" or "doctor's testimony"?

What he is trying to do is an SP classic -- say something so often that eventually people believe it.

But when you consider the FACTS of CBJ's 'testimony'?

Fact: She was asked to simply confirm that she simply wrote the eleventh hour 'medical records' letter. She said she "could not comment".

Why on earth not? SP supposedly ASKED this physician to speak regarding her medical records. Yet CBJ wouldn't offer a simple "yes, I wrote the letter at the request of Mrs Palin". Saying "I can't comment" when asked an extremely simple, direct, yes or no question...shows that SOMETHING is afoot, certainly.


But the kicker regarding CBJ's "testimony"? (Jesse continually calls it testimony even though it was neither court-related nor on the record) is this--
FACT: when ADN editor Pat D asked her point blank (AFTER palin auth'd CBJ to speak regarding her medical history) "can you confirm that Sarah Palin delivered Trig Palin?"
and CBJ didn't even try to "no comment" her way out of this one -- she, with an ATTORNEY present (why?) said an unequivocal "I cannot confirm that."

Jesse and anyone else who thinks there is nothing going on here...wake up and smell the moose chili.

Supposed delivering doctor, authorized to speak on Palin's medical history and the birth if Trig...said she "could not confirm" that Palin delivered Trig.

She did not say that she WOULD not confirm it. She said she COULD not confirm it. Read between the lines there, right? If she witnessed the birth and for whatever reason didn't want to comment...she might say she will not/would not confirm palin's story of Trig's birth.

If she didn't witness the birth and thusly had no clue as to the real birth circumstances OR knew them to be patently false as told by Sarah Palin...she would (and did) say that she COULD NOT confirm Palin's account of Trig's birth.

If SP is telling the truth, why would CBJ say those things? Answer-- she would NOT say those things without good cause.


And why would Palin refuse to provide either child's birth certificate when that would settle this issue once and for all? It's documented beyond any doubt that she adores showing up her naysayers. Yet she refuses to provide this simple documentation. If you think she's refusing to invalidate these rumours for 'funsies'...well, it's no wonder her followers have such a reputation for having the "flamingo mentality".

hannah said...

tomes = TIMES


sorry!