Thursday, 28 May 2009

Sarah Palin, baby, fluids, risks and the doctor

Let's take a closer look at the interview of April 21, 2008 and examine some known medical facts.

Reporter: I was hoping you could walk us through a little bit about kind of what happened because he came earlier that you thought and not when and where.

Palin: And, uh, he wasn’t due for 4 or 5 weeks later and um, while I was at energy conference I felt perfectly fine but uh, had thought maybe a few things were starting to progress a little bit that perhaps there was an idea there that he might come early. So I called my doctor at about uh four in the morning in Texas and um I said ya know I’m gonna stay for the day here at the energy conference - have a speech that I was determined to give at one o’clock that afternoon and, um, had Todd check on a couple of flights that were earlier than we had scheduled.

Reporter: So did your water break?

Palin: Well, if you must know more of those type of details, but, um…

Reporter: Well, your dad said that and I saw him say it so that’s why I asked.

Palin: Well that was again if, if I must get personal, technical about this at the same time, um, it was one, it was a sign that I knew, um, could lead to uh, labor being uh kind of kicked in there was any kind of, um, amniotic leaking, amniotic fluid leaking, so when, when that happened we decided OK let’s call her.

There are times when the amniotic sac may develop a tear or may rupture causing the amniotic fluid to leak before term. When this occurs before 37 weeks, it is referred to as ‘Premature Rupture Of Membrane’ or PROM.
When the premature rupture of amniotic sac occurs, it is necessary to determine the cause of the leaking amniotic fluid. Normally, the leaking is caused by a bacterial infection or by a defect in the structure of the amniotic sac or the uterus or the cervix.
This leakage may lead to further complications for the growth of the fetus, as it may hamper the growth of the fetus and may cause bacterial infection to spread from the vagina to the uterus and consequently to the fetus.
Premature rupture of the membranes can present serious risks to mother and baby

* To the mother - the risk of infections and early delivery
* To the baby – the risk of infection, blindness, cerebral palsy, deafness, cognitive impairment and death
Other complications that could occur include compression of the umbilical cord, postpartum infection, early detachment of the placenta from the uterus.
I very much doubt that her doctor could have performed any examinations over the phone. I can't believe her doctor would have risked a major lawsuit for malpractice because Sarah Palin was determined to give a speech. Either the whole thing is a fabrication or Palin didn't take a blind bit of notice of the doctor's advice. If Sarah Palin's account is taken at face value, I'm afraid her doctor comes accross as an utterly incompetent medical practitioner.

: In the family statement that was issued by… it said through early testing you knew you would have some special needs.

Palin: Right…

Reporter: Can you explain?

Palin: Right, yeah, well, He’s got that extra chromosome, he has Down’s Syndrome.

Sarah Palin gave an interview to Christian Living recently and repeated the assertion that she learned about Trig having Down's Syndrome at 13 weeks: "But at age 43, pregnant and at 13 weeks along learning that the baby would be born with Down syndrome..."

Children with Down syndrome often have medical problems, such as chronic pulmonary hypertension, frequent infections, and pulmonary vascular overperfusion and injury due to previous or current cardiac defects. These problems all may be viewed as risk factors for high-altitude pulmonary edema (HAPE) and for the rapid development of HAPE at low altitudes. Care should be taken when children with Down syndrome travel to even moderate altitudes.

Sarah Palin clocked at least 18,000 miles in the third trimester of her pregnancy. I expect her doctor knew about Trig having Down's Syndrome before the birth and knew about the risks of high altitude for such babies...

Palin: ... and um she’s delivered how many babies over the year did she say?

Todd: Lots

Palin: A lot. It’s been a couple of decades of her delivering babies.

I don't know which is worse: either she lied about being pregnant and has since spun several further lies, giving details about her doubts, breast pumps and other little stories in an attempt to make the pregnancy believable, or she is the most reckless, stupid, clueless, callous mother imaginable.

If she was indeed pregnant and we believe her story, it doesn't look good for her or her doctor. One risks her own life and that of her unborn baby , the other risks her whole medical career.

The fact that Trig is now a healthy baby, taking Down's Syndrome into account, doesn't cancel all the risks taken.

When we put everything together, the tight abs and flat belly, this ludicrous story in the face of medical facts, the fact that the hospital used doesn't have the facilities to cope with high risk deliveries, all the inconcistencies... no, um, uh, ah, Sarah Palin can't possibly be Trig's birth mother.

Here's a video of Sarah Palin at the energy conference. Does she look like an expectant mother who had some signs that "a few things were starting to progress a little bit that perhaps there was an idea there that he might come early."? Does she look like she's leaking amniotic fluid?



FW said...

One of th emain reasons I keep following these blogs is because of the "wild ride". It cuts to the very core of the Sarah Palin hypocrisy. If she is truly "pro-life" (and was actually pregnant), she would not have taken such extraordinary risks with her special needs baby. No sane mother would do that, unless they were trying to miscarry or have a still born. It is more horrifying than actually faking the tragnancy to cover for your daughter. I have never understood why this issue was never pushed in the MSM.

As soon as I heard this story back in the fall, I knew there was something seriously wrong with this woman. I am waiting for the iceberg to crash into her Titanic, and finish her off for good.

Thanks Regina, for keeping this fairy tale out there!

onejrkitty said...

Palin's physician needs to speak up to clear her own name. IF Palin is not the mother of Trigg--and I believe Palin is NOT the mother--then there is no "patient / client" confidentiality to be observed.

Even if there is a confidentiality issue, this physician needs to speak up and disassociate herself from Palin and this entire fabrication.

I fault the physician as well as Palin, whether this Texas trip is the truth or a lie. Either way, the physician is just as culpable.

And along the line of culpability, I would like to include the real mother of the child, Bristol( mother or not, she KNOWS Palin is not the mother), Todd, Levi and every family member and/or other person who knows Palin is lying.

If she is telling the truth, then she is guilty of attempted murder.

sjk from the belly of the plane said...

Lies lies and more lies...

"and um she’s delivered how many babies over the year did she say?
Todd: Lots

Palin: A lot. It’s been a couple of decades of her delivering babies.

BULLSPIT! That aint what she does!

sandra said...

A small thing, but I've always wondered why she called the Dr. at 4 am. That would have been 1 am Alaskan time. Why would you call your doctor at that hour? There must have been serious symptoms, and you would expect her Dr. would have sent her to an ER. But maybe SP wasn't too concerned about disrupting her Dr.'s sleep.

lisabeth said...

Everyone made great comments. I believe there is a record of exactly how many babies this doctor ha delivered and it is not lots it is a small number. Another big lie is that she knew about the Downs at 13 weeks. People at other blogs have said this is a very dangerous tome to have an amnio and it is usually done much later!

Sarah Palin is a sociopath. Look how she smiles and outright lies to the camera while Todd holds Trig. It's sick!!
Plus what strong pro-lifer (anti-choice) person even has amniocentesis! It is very rare in that group one would think.

The whole thing is so weird! The other night I was reading all the stories written in 2008 about the Trig rumors. There are a lot of articles and many think/know she is lying!! Look how she acted around her medical records! She turned in a letter from that doctor not her records. I have heard the doctor is another old friend of sarahs. did that doctor actually write a letter full of lies for her vp candidacy???? Besides being unethical, she could lose her medical license couldn't she? Maybe people need to start writing the doctor!! It's really immoral if they are lying to the public!

tomandlou said...

I'm a believer in mediation a third party who can look objectivly at a situation usually gets to an answer that makes sense! regina you make a lot of sense! I was ready to give Palin the benefit of a doubt until I heard what were obviously half truths and in some cases outright lies it didn't take half a brain to realise she was blowing smoke.Research has shown without a doubt that she is nothing but a self server.She should never hold office in the Federal Govt.I thank you and others like you for the truth keep up the good work!!!

Janet in Texas said...

This entire story STINKS. IF Palin was pregnant then she obviously was trying her darndest to lose that baby. She is so pathetic. She makes me sick to my stomach. I can't stand the sight of her.

Dianne said...

I guess kind of on a personal note - I have a very close friend who became pregnant for the first time at age 43. She chose to have an amnio and all was well. I have a stepdaughter who became pregnant at 37. She chose NOT to have an amnio because she had decided that she would have the baby regardless. My stepdaughter is quite liberal and so is my friend. So, why would someone who is so PRO-LIFE and conservative even bother to have an amnio? SP is so full of it! If her mouth is moving she is lying.

Anonymous said...

Everyone MSM is so sensitive about a pregnant woman. If it is a hoax (I believe it is) or even suspected hoax, it is not merely someone dressing up to cover for another and they told a few harmless lies along the way. It involves serious fraud, co-conspirators, harm to children and who knows what else. At this time, it isn't even clear what the motive could be. Covering for a daughters pregnancy is the most ordinary explanation. Cathy Baldwin-Johnson, the Palin family doc that delivered a few babies and is the expert in child sexual abuse and the meth problems in the Valley has no credibility. She is not about to speak up, why would she? Sarah appointed her to the Alaska Health Care Strategies Planning Council, term ended 1/1/2008. There is no way to get her before a grand jury? Absolutely, she is culpable in either Palin birth scenario.

Todd, Bristol and any others who helped are also culpable. Levi and the Johnston's have to know plenty, but I'm not as convinced about what all they know about the hoax. They may believe lies they were told. All the public hears are press releases and publicity statements. Levi could talk about when and where he slept at the house, how that was handled with Piper around, if she asked questions or came across any condoms or sex toys. He knows about Bristol's reputation, when she was with Johnny Chandler, her other sex toys and how she partied and camped in Wasilla. He may have overheard discussions or fights but I don't see that he was a confident to what Sarah was up to. Until I hear more, I don't expect much from GQ article or any publicity either side is putting out. MSM is just a tool for Sarah's backers to promote her. Her boloney about grade school science, Cho and roof, road color, is not even challenged.

There is more on Cathy Baldwin-Johnson at
google her name and The Purloined Letter
Today, Dr. Thad Woodard continues his discussion of child abuse with Dr. Cathy Baldwin-Johnson, MD who is also the medical director of Alaska CARES
Download Audio (MP3) Mon, April 6, 2009
she talks about child exploitation, including non touching sexual abuse
Council Members May 8, 2007, Juneau, AK – Governor Sarah Palin announced the appointment of 14 Alaskans

onejrkitty said...

IF Trigg is NOT Palin's child and IF Trigg IS Bristol's child, then Levi may know who the father is, and IF Levi was having sex with Bristol when (IF) she became pregnant with Trigg THEN HE HAS THE RIGHT TO ASK FOR A DNA TEST.

Certainly, Levi was around Bristol and Palin enough during the time someone was pregnant with Trigg to know quite a bit, if not all, of what was going on i.e. was Bristol looking pregnant while Palin was not.

Is it possible Trigg is Track's son by some girlfriend?


It is as if these two of Palin's children have ceased to exist. You would think Palin would at least mention missing Track, or that he is doing well, or when he will be home, or that has heard from him.

Willow--maybe SHE has a chance.

evanstar said...

Ther eis another teenage daughter, what if Trigg is hers? Granted she's quite young, but given the families track record on explaining how babies are made Bristol isn't the only choice to be the mom.

Anonymous said...

The amnio thing rubs me the wrong way too
Perhaps I am wrong but it is done to make notice of possible issues SO the mother can make an informed choice of wether or not to continue the pregnancy

If you are all Pro Life.. you have the "child" no matter.. even if it were siamese twins.

Why would she "want to know"?
with it there are risks.. it endangers the pregnancy

And she didn't know all this until 13 weeks?
So, She didn't tell Todd she was pregnant until after? Was she waiting so she could get an amnio and then tell Todd?

I just don't get her or this whole story..
She is either the looniest person on the entire planet or this story is one big.. story

Anonymous said...

onejrkitty Yes, Levi could know who the fathers and mothers are. He could have already had DNA tests. He can remain silent or tell what he wants, when he likes. I hope he helps get the truth out with whatever he can. It would be interesting to hear more about Track and Willow. Track is in the Army and he gets a pass. Willow might be the 'good child' of the dysfunctionals.



Download Audio (MP3) Mon, April 6, 2009 at 2:00 p.m.
It is almost an hour long. She does not talk about Palin, only about child abuse.
She does sound professional, not like the letter written for Palin/McCain.
Not like the doctor Palin describes. She said she lives in the Valley and does consultations at Mat-Su Hosp

In Sept or Oct 2008 when I looked her up there was a longer piece about her work with sexually abused children and meth addicts. I have not been able to find it again.
As if someone wanted to focus on her as a family physician that delivers babies? My first impression was that child abuse was her main interest. I don't have a link but I think she did deliver Piper and she has known the family for a long time.

lisabeth said...

I wish the people who know would speak out. Why aren't they?? What are they gaining from their silence? I think abuse HAS to be invoved based on how hush hush everyone is (common with abuse/incest) and the doctors background.Strange!

Why doesn't The doctor have credibility? Someone mentioned this.

I HATE liars and users and especially ones like Palin. You can see it doesn't even bother her. She is nuts!!!!

Anonymous said...

Regardless of your beliefs, many older women choose to have amniocentesis because some in utero problems can be fixed in utero. Also, if there is a birth defect, the family can better prepare emotionally for the birth of a special needs child. In addition,a family may need to make sure they are near a special medical facility that can cope with the birth of the child with defect(s). Finally, the family may also need to make special accomodations in the home for the child before he/she is born. These are all good reasons for amniocentesis without contemplating an abortion. They are all the reasons I had the test with my pregnancies as I was nearly 40. In conclusion, I do not fault her for having the test(if she was pregnant). I fault her greatly for her decisions regarding his birth.

Sarah in SC said...

Thank you, Anonymous 04:00. There are lots of reasons that VERY pro-life people have amnio--the ones you cited, as well as because when special needs children are born, a host of specialists, therapists, and other preparations might need to be made, not to mention preparing other siblings for what is about to happen.

All that said, GINO's "prenatal" and "birth" stories are laughable for LOTS of reasons, but especially because any reasonable person who's ever even heard of someone being pregnant knows it's completely inane, insane, and evidence that she has serious issues.

And why on earth the MSM feels they can't touch a story about a pregnant woman, I do not understand. If this woman wasn't an elected official, if she were just "Jodi Sixpack," this story would be on the front of every tabloid, and eventually in every news cycle on tv. Total hypocrisy.

Dear God, when is the total impossibility of this whole damn story going to finally dawn on the rest of the world????

Anonymous said...

Dr. CBJ does have credibility. She delivered many of my friends and coworkers children. Went there myself for annual exams until she started downsizing her practice to spend more time on child abuse issues.
She's great! Which is why I hate seeing her demonized for GINO. By law she cannot reveal any patient information without prior consent. And you know the Harlot Gov will never own up to the truth, no matter how it hurts bystanders.

Anonymous said...

Wow I hate to say this but that is the first picture I have seen of her where she actually DOES look pregnant. The way she is standing etc. And she does look a little distracted. Don't get me wrong, I'm a firm believer that this is all fake but this picture is a surprise to me.

lisabeth said...

Thank you for explaining that anon. I did not know that about amnio but it makes sense.

I do have a question. What week is amnio done? Isn't it almost always at week 15-16 and not 13? I read on another blog that at 13 wks it is very dangerous.
People were saying Sarahs time lines were off/suspicious.

Anonymous said...

lisabeth, when I had mine a number of years ago, it was supposed to be done at 4 1/2 months. I don't know if that still holds true. Back then, they went through the stomach and now they go vaginally, so I don't know if that is a factor. I'm sure you could find the info online. Her story about the birth is totally bogus, though, for so many reasons. She either made up the pregnancy or she made up the birth story. Oh yeah, ...or both.

Anonymous said...

Maybe Dr. CATHY BALDWIN-JOHNSON looks credible to her clients. If you read the letter she wrote for the campaign and put it in perspective, no credible person would have signed on to that. You must believe Sarah was pregnant with Trig on March 26, 2008. When I see her flat stomach I find that hard to believe. CATHY BALDWIN-JOHNSON is not a victim. She does need to go before a Grand Jury, she does know what happened. If she is the Dr. that Sarah and Todd are talking about in 'Sarah Palin's wild ride in her own words', the sooner she loses her license the better. CATHY BALDWIN-JOHNSON can always do volunteer work after jail time or maybe wear an ankle bracelet.

Anonymous said...

Amnio is done at 4 1/2 mos., but CVS, another form of early testing (which many people still call amnio) is done at 13 weeks and results come back in 2 days. I had it with my last child (I was over 40). Most people now opt for CVS as it's not nearly as invasive as "old" amnio.

IF Palin is Trig's mother (and I agree---I've never seen this picture where she does look pregnant to me--at least more so than anywhere else and she's clearly distracted), I don't believe she was ever leaking amniotic fluid in TX. At first she had said that "things were happening that made me think this baby might come early." I think she lost her mucous plug and was having show. Of course, I doubt anyone would report that or say that (or even tell their dad that)--it's all a bit too "gross."

crystalwolf aka caligrl said...

CBJ medical records for GINO was a "cut and paste job" by the RNC and mccain.
CJB has pretty much been MIA.
Someone on Shannyn's blog mentioned the possibility of a "5 yr. old hysterectomy scar" (in reference to her too short skirt)
Now that would certainly blow her as Trigs mother out of the water!
Someone mentioned one of the preg pics? There was one (I don't see it here) with Andrea Gutsy that was proven to be a total photo shop and was posted the day or day after the Trig thing hit Kos. Came onto Flickr mysteriously.
The same person also proved GINO was wearing a "empathy belly".
My theory in a nutshell, Bristol got preggers, they were going to adopt him out (GINO has ties with a pseudo teen pregnancy clinic) they counsel teens to adopt rather than abort. I think tests are of course done routinely b/c of the adoption factor and when it was found out Trig was DS, GINO quietly made moves to adopt as her own. The wild ride story is him coming home earlier than she/they expected.
When Bristol got preggers the second was time to atone for sin!!!! Toe the line!
JMO and scenario...we may never know the truth.
CJB is MIA not that she could divulge anything without GiNO's permission due to HIPPA law.
Of course if GINO's "medical records" were proved to be a "cut and paste job" by the RNC, there could be a lot of explaining, and CJB would have to tell what SHE contributed to that little fiasco.
It could get interesting.
But unless she runs for pres. I don't think it will come out unless someone ups and spills the beans!As always JMO!

The Dame said...

At the time of Sherry Johnston's arrest she gave us too much information in her interview with People Magazine. That information was that she was taking pain killers for her hysterectomy years before. After this "revelation" those who had her in the running for possible mother of Trig quickly dismissed the possiblity. Before that there had been some rumors that she and Track may have had a relationship, both were rumored to have a fondness for Oxycontin. We know for sure Sherry was arrested for dealing it. Long story short, Trig is here, Track is sent away first to Michigan to a no name Hockey camp and then to a fluff job in Iraq, Sherry and her husband breakup, Mercede refers to Trig as her baby brother on MySpace, the RNC wipes the Johnstons computers clean, Sherry cries on TV what a hard summer she had with everything, and Bristol promises her everything will be alright once Tripp is here, "at least you will have him". She is not stable, Levi is as big a liar as the rest of them. Sarah supposedly knows she is having a high risk pregnancy so she is using a doctor and a hospital that doesn't specialize in that, but a doctor who would be more appropriate dealing with a teenage/ child adult "problem". Palin acts as though the families don't really know each other and don't have association except through Levi and Bristol. But when Trig was born Mercede and Levi were at the Palin's kitchen taking pictures, and now for some reason Bristol and Mercede aren't friends, (Sorry Mercede, not buying your story on that one) and now Levi tells us Todd and his Dad used to talk all the time almost everyday and now not so much. I am thinking Sherry did not have a hysterectomy many years ago. We only have that one statement in people from here about it. And we know how accurate they have been about verifying facts. So I think it is just about as likely that Sherry and Track had a little thing going there as anything else. I think that hysterectomy was another Sarah Palin red herring. The only thing we know for sure is that Sarah Palin did not give birth to Trig.

teal said...

GiNO is not PRO LIFE!

...considered abortion...

...testing for DS - when this would not matter to a TRUE Pro-lifer

...didn't tell her husband that she was prego

...didn't tell her children or other family members

she told the world @ 7 months, how far along was she [hehehehe] when she told family members

Anonymous said...

Teal said, "testing for DS - when this would not matter to a TRUE Pro-lifer"

I would like to refer you back to my post at 4pm. You are quite wrong in that area; although, I agree with the rest of your post.

Anonymous said...

Yes, it is quite wrong to assume that the sole purpose of amnio or any other genetic testing is to decide on whether or not to abort the fetus. Many types of birth defects require the child to be born in a hospital with specialists and a neo-natal ICU. It helps for preparing the family and many other reasons as well. Of course, Sarah-selfish-cuda negated all of those reasons by telling no one until the last trimester, taking a trip that was dangerous to the baby on so many levels, and showing complete disregard for the well-being of the baby by travelling home before being examined by a doctor. That's assuming that she was pregnant.

Vaughn said...

RE: crystalwolf aka caligrl said...
Someone mentioned one of the preg pics? There was one (I don't see it here) with Andrea
Gutsy that was proven to be a total photo shop and was posted the day or day after the
Trig thing hit Kos. Came onto Flickr mysteriously.
The same person also proved GINO was wearing a "empathy belly".

I do not believe that SP was pregnant with Trig.I do beleive that she is a lousy governor,
an awful mother and lousy person.
No one has ever proven that the Gusty photo was a total photo shop nor have they ever proven
that she wore an empathy belly.
Anyone who has actually ever been pregnant or seen a lot of pregnant women knows that a 33
week pregnant belly is not oblong in shape but round.On the Palin's Decepetions blog she has
a post on Dec.15 2008 that shows a still shot from a video that was made on April 8th or 9th
by Elan Frank.The still shot has been lightened so you can see it better.Oblong belly if there
ever was one.
Compare that picture to what she looked like 4 or 5 days later in the Andrea Gusty photo
and you know darn well that she was not pregnant.
So nobody has ever proven that she wasn't pregnant but then again she never has proven that
she was.

I think the CBJ letter is a complete fake except for the signature maybe.Why in the world
would she make a mistake on Piper's birth year.Piper was born in 2001 not 2000.I just can't
see a doctor that was Sarah's family doctor making a mistake like that.

Anonymous said...

I'm the one who mentioned that the picture was the only one I saw that maybe she looked pg for real. I am referring to the above video at the RNC. If you look at it, she does stand a little bit different and her stomach seems to protrude some and her facial expressions are very different from normal. The picture taken at the Capital is for sure not a real tummy!My word verification is "sockered" Hope she doesn't get away with doing this to us!

ProChoiceGrandma said...

Has anyone looked up what else would give the appearance of Down’s Syndrome?

or, here is the tinyurl:

I looked up some of the big words I had never heard using:

“Dysmorphic feature is a medical term referring to a difference of body structure that is suggestive of a congenital disorder, genetic syndrome, or birth defect. A dysmorphic feature can be a minor and isolated birth defect (e.g., clinodactyly, not accompanied by other features or problems. Alternatively it can be one of a combination of features signaling a serious multi-system syndrome (e.g., the epicanthal folds of Down's syndrome).”

When you tie everything together, it makes you wonder why CBJ was involved, why someone was shipped off to some podunk town in Michigan and why in the world would someone go to such bizarre lengths to fake a pregnancy.

crystalwolf aka caligrl said...

Vaughn said...
No one has ever proven that the Gusty photo was a total photo shop nor have they ever proven
that she wore an empat
There was a woman with a blog..Morgan not the Morgan from PD. She was a Photo-expert and she showed how GINO's face was cut and pasted on the pic. Also the picture was photoshopped to make her look more preg. She showed in exact detail how and why it was photohopped. Andrea Gutsy even addressed the issue and said it wasn't photohopped.(on TV)
Morgan keep getting hits from Wasilla.(from one certain IP address) She kept getting threats.
She declared she would not back down. A few days later, she announced she was closing her blog.
She had a actual personal threat to someone in her family.She took down her blog and turn all info in the police & FBI.
This was right before Regina came online.
So think what you will... she also claimed that Bristol was wearing a empathy suit to look more preg. at the convention. It sounds crazy but she had Photo proof. I guess she came too close to the truth, b/c she had to close her blog. She was online for less than a month.
Everyone questions whether Tripp was born in Dec. as claimed or late Jan-early Feb. Again like Trig there is no actual proof.
No one saw Tripp until, GVS interview on 2/14/09.

Lilybart said...

Anon: There are reasons for getting tested even if you would never consider abortion. BUT, Palin DID NOT use the information to inform here family, they had no idea the child would have DS.

And, I had a CVS test at 11 weeks, and it takes two weeks to get the result. Amnio is done later and 13 weeks is pretty early and it takes time to get the result. So I doubt the 13 weeks she KNEW something story.

Not telling your husband --- that is just another one of the totally weird things I cannot compute.