However afterward I heard another piece of information which went a long ways toward explaining what actually DID happen, and why Bristol was hidden away in Anchorage for so many months.
Levi knows this as well, but I don't think he is ready to talk about it yet. Until he, or another source in the know, explain this I cannot go any further. I am sorry, as I know how frustrating this is, but I made an agreement.
I will give you this hint, which I have mentioned in the past, the key to this mystery is in the birth dates.
So then the question remains, "Who IS Trig's biological mother?" And I have to admit that I STILL don't know. And I don't believe that the pool of people who DO know, is very large. I am not sure that even Bristol knows.
All I can say with any certainty is that Sarah Palin did NOT give birth to him on April 18, 2008!"
He later added this update:
Somebody asked, Midnight Cajun I believe, WHY I did not say that Bristol was not Trig's mom back when I first heard it. To be honest, I had trouble accepting it. I walked around for a while trying to fit it in with what I had come to believe about "babygate". I went back to my source at least four times before I accepted it completely.
After that I did not originally post about it because NOBODY would have believed it. You can see today how hard it is for people to accept and that is after Levi has done these interviews and you have heard hints from me these last few months alluding to that fact. If I had just come out and said it, with NO confirmation from anybody, it would have been dismissed out of hand.
Now Kathleen asked why I said back on Sept. 2, "Just ask yourself this question, "When would Sarah Palin be most likely to fake a pregnancy and then adopt her daughter's baby? When she was mostly out of the public eye as the Governor of an "off the radar" state like Alaska? Or while standing on a stage in front of millions of possible voters and camera crews?"
This was in response to Levi's statement that Sarah wanted to adopt Tripp. I was not confirming that Trig was Bristol's baby, I was asking why Sarah would want to adopt her daughter's baby right when she was being considered for a VP pick? The talk about Sarah being a possible VP pick had already started before April 2008. If it was going to be a straight up adoption how would you explain taking on an infant while running to be the Vice President of the United States? And if you were planning to fake your own pregnancy would it not have made sense to do so before the national media was watching your every move? This was one of my first attempts to get people to start thinking about the birth dates.
There is a line of logic that continues on from the above paragraph. I cannot just come out in say it because that betrays my agreement. I apologize, but I also want you to keep in mind that if I HAD simply put everything I learned on this blog back in May or June I would NEVER have learned another thing. My sources would have never trusted me again. So when I tell you I am saying as much as I can, you are just going to have to accept that or decide to walk away. Your choice.
But do keep in mind what I have said in the past, and how much has been confirmed by Levi and other sources. There are a lot of facts and rumors that we know now that we certainly did not know back in the spring.
Another thing to keep in mind is that when Levi says he knows some HUGE things, he is not exaggerating one little bit. And there are others who are waiting in the wings as well. Author Joe McGinnis said that people in Wasilla could not wait to talk to him. And boy does HE have some stories to tell."
What I would like to say to Gryphen's comments is this:
I have the highest respect for Gryphen. He is the only one of the bloggers in Alaska who was willing to pick up babygate several months ago, and has done a lot to drive this issue forward. He has built up a great blog and gained a large readership. However, that does not mean that I agree with everything that he writes about "babygate", and yesterday was such a case.
Trig Truthing is an exciting, but also difficult exercise, and as many of you have experienced before, sometimes it can make your head hurt. Like yesterday. In my 12 months of being an active Trig Truther and belonging to a resourceful investigative team, I have learned that it is just far too easy to get confused about all the theories, to think round in circles and to get distracted by smokescreens that other people have created. Once the confusion starts, all the scenarios keep spinning round in your head and that makes it difficult to come to any meaningful conclusion about the whole "Trig-mystery".
What we have also have experienced is that evidence itself might be confusing or might be interpreted in different ways, and that it takes great patience and constant fact-checking with an open mind in order to meaningfully progress with the investigation. This was one of the main reasons why the Palindeception research team was formed in the first place in 2008: To have a group of dedicated people looking together at the evidence, giving open and critical assessments, before they are being published afterwards, or sometimes they are not published straight away at all because they need further clarification. After Palindeception stopped posting a few months ago, a new babygate research team was formed which is now working with palingates. To have such a group of people is invaluable, because it is just too easy to get lost - and at the times when frustration sets in, it is also much easier to stay focused if there is a group of people behind you who support your efforts.
Gryphen and I agree in one thing right now: Sarah Palin is not the biological mother of Trig. Regarding the other circumstances, I am afraid to say that don't know whether he is right or not, because I haven't seen his evidence. Let me say one important thing: We do not see this as a competition. I would be very happy for him if Gryphen is correct! He would certainly deserve to be the one who breaks the story. What particular evidence he has, I don't know. He hasn't told us, and I would never ask anyone to tell me his secrets. After Gryphen published his blogpost yesterday, I wrote him an email and offered to tell him what WE know, so that he could check it with his information, but I have received no reply so far. I am still very happy to do so. Gryphen and I are not in regular contact, we have exchanged a few emails during this year, but that's it.
The evidence we have received, circumstancial and direct evidence, strongly points to the fact the Bristol Palin was pregnant at the end of 2007. There were for example not only rumors reaching back to December 2007 that Bristol was pregnant, but there were also people in high positions claiming this as a FACT, including a top-member of the leadership of the Republican Party of Alaska. This is not the kind of evidence which one can just dismiss. If we want to dismiss this evidence, one would have to explain how it's possible that such important people in Alaska claim to know that it's true. Personally, I find the "deception within the deception" difficult to believe.
As it currently stands, I see it as a confirmed fact that Bristol was pregnant during the year 2007.
We don't know for a fact WHEN Bristol gave birth, although we have received some clues in the course of the investigation. It seems most likely right now that she has given birth in December 2007 or January 2008. As I understand it, Bristol possibly attended Anchorage West High for several months from January 2008 onwards, although the details are not finally confirmed. We had received several reports from people who saw Bristol in public in March 2008, non-pregnant. We also received credible reports that Bristol was upset and angry about the fact that Sarah announced her "pregnancy" at the beginning of March 2008.
I also don't know for a fact IF Bristol has given birth. She might have had an abortion or miscarried. The revelation of an abortion would of course be the "scandal of the century". Some readers have speculated that such an abortion might have been performed when Bristol went to New York together with Sarah in October 2007. All I can say is that so far we have no hints that such a scandalous scenario could be true.
What I can also say is that there have been deliberate, deceitful attempts to manipulate the babygate discussion in the past in order to drive us and others away from the Bristol theory and confuse everybody. These attacks continue right up until the present day. Just a few days ago, an old "friend" popped up again, who is well known from the old PD-days: The commenter "BlueTx". He claims to know "the gruesome truth" about babygate - apparently Bristol is not the mother, and we even should feel sorry about Sarah. He managed to confuse some people over here at palingates and at Immoral Minority both yesterday and today. However, we know a few things about BlueTx. He opened the blog "Palindeception2" at the beginning of 2009, where he started to ridicule PD. Fine, no problem. Shortly before that, "BlueTx" appeared on PD, slamming the fake pregnancy theories in his comments, which "BlueTx" subsequently deleted. When confronted with the fact that Kathleen claimed to know that "Thomas" was in fact "BlueTx", he categorically denied it. Unfortunately for him, it was pretty easy to prove that the two were the same, as both posters used the same blogger ID number, and finally he snarkily conceded it. "Thomas" later also admitted that he was "Whitedog" on PD. "Whitedog", in fact, shared the same blogger ID number with "AlaskaGrown" and "cupofnoodles", who were also commenters on PD. But they were all one person - "Thomas", the man who claims to know "the gruesome truth". Using those ID's he tried to manipulate the conversation, and God knows which other ID's he might have used. In reality, however, he knows only one thing: How to confuse people and how to lie when he is cornered.
Those kind of manipulative attempts to derail the discussion make me incredibly suspicious. We have good sources telling us that Bristol was pregnant. On the other hand, we have seen deceitful commenters on the blogs telling us that she was not. What should be the conclusion of that?
The conclusion in my opinion is that the evidence has to be double and triple checked. We also have to be aware that most of the Trig Truthing discussion - is it stands right now - is confined to only three blogs - Immoral Minority, Bree Palin and palingates. This is not a lot. If one of these blogs gets discredited, it would be a major blow to the overall "movement". Therefore, we have to be very careful, and I wish that there could be more exchange of information going on. I also think that it's not ideal when information is being put out in a seemingly cryptic way and not properly explained.
I also understand that for Gryphen it probably makes sense for him to present his findings in the way he does, because he believes that he has all the pieces of the puzzle he needs.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 313 of 313I urge all readers to pick up a copy of "Republican Gomorah" by Max Bluementhal. I think it would add quite a bit of insight into BabyGate. After reading about the influence the Domionists have over the Republican party, I can believe they would use a tiny little baby named Trigg as a political pawn. They believe that anything they do, be it illegal or unethical, is justified if it progresses their agenda.
I do believe Sarah was capable of faking a pregnancy and adopting a Downs Syndrome child for the sole purpose to advance the Domionist agenda. Sarah could have adopted a Downs Syndrome baby because she was convinced she was supposed to (God told her or Dr. Dobbs convinced her this was God's plan). This doesn't mean she has any love for the child. It was all God's will, a burden she has to shoulder. I haven't seen any candid shots of her showing any affection to Trigg. It was all just to further the Dominionist agenda.
Love the blog, Pgates Team, esp the instant comment function, which allows for some real conversation. Thanks for all the hard work you do!
Pat in Texas
I am beginning to think that levi needs to demand a dna test.
question keeps nagging at me - why would they be trying to get rid of him after the campaign loss?
and the only reason that makes sense is that levi is not tripps father. they DID use him for the campaign, because for whatever reasons the real father would not have fit the bill (I suspect the real father is much older and this would NOT have looked good for the vp nominee).
wouldn't bristol want her baby's father to be in his life? he's not a bad kid. it's not like he's middle-aged with tons of baggage and issues, a drug addict or alcoholic.
anyway levi, get a dna test. it makes no sense that a family would block a REAL father from seeing his child. I suspect you've been used and are still being used.
A hint to the truth lies in the comments that Gryphen allows to go through and the ones he doesn't.
Pay attention
For people who wonder how Sarah would have the nerve to fake a pregnancy, especially as a public figure, I would like to mention that other people have been involved in their own exaggerated stories and hoaxes, think Balloon Boy.
A story currently in the Chicago headlines involves a mother who claimed that the stroller with her baby got caught in the doors of a local commuter train. The stroller and baby were dragged along the platform until they hit a barrier where the baby fell out. (I smell a big juicy lawsuit!)
The problem is that the stroller presented to the TV cameras showed no damage, and the transit authorities are having trouble believing her story. They are currently investigating.
Think of the people who "found" fingers in their chili, or a mouse in their coca cola. On line, where people seeking to adopt a child are so vulnerable, more than one evil woman has conned people into believing that she would give them a child for adoption on payment of large sums of money. One such woman strung along four different families and there was no such child.
Most of these schemes seem aimed at making easy money. Secretly, I think that this kind of person also likes the attention that it generates. Think of the on-line hoax to raise money for a cancer-stricken child when there is no such disease. The mother loved the attention and prayers as well as the money.
So, when we wonder how Sarah Palin could dream of faking a pregnancy, she loved the attention and there was the possibility of a huge reward, too.
Audrey and Morgan were threatened with the exposing of thier other interests that some might find questionable. They decided to cave to threats rather than have those things exposed.
gryphen doesn know anything
I agree with misssunshine - the 3 babies thing is too convoluted.
however, I think that the johnstons think there were/are 3 babies...
I think the original theory that bristol is trigs bio mom is the correct one. I believe that she did give birth very prematurely and the baby's health was in jeopardy. once the baby crossed the threshold, sarah convinced bristol that it would be the best thing for her to adopt it - she could financially provide, while bristol and levi could not (and neither could the grandparents on the johnston side). sarah and bristol lied to the johnstons and told them the first baby died (I used to think levi was in on it, but I no longer do). 2-3-4 months later, sarah "gives birth."
so the johnstons think that levi and bristols first baby died. sarah "gives birth" to baby #2, and bristol gives birth to baby #3.
I think this also explains gryphens new revelation that bristol is not the mother - I think gryphens sources are from the levi camp, and the levi camp was lied to. so they are telling gryph what they think is correct (what they have been told), but it is not the truth.
I think that sarah took on this baby for one reason and one reason only - finances. she would have been stuck paying OUT OF POCKET for that baby's care it's entire life if bristol was the mother's name on the birth certificate. with sarah's name on the birth certificate, it's much easier on her finances.
I do not believe she adopted this baby to appeal to the religious crazies. I think she may have seen a benefit in that, but the bigger benefit to her was the financial angle. it's costs ALOT of money to raise a ds child.
emrysa,
I am with you. Levi does need to get a DNA test done for both children if he thinks they are his. I do believe that he was definitely more into Bristol than Bristol was into him. Which makes me believe that Bristol could have had some other person in her life besides Levi. Her Myspace/Facebook showed that this Johnny guy was pretty special to her in Spring 2007. I am still trying to figure out when Levi came along. There are conflicting stories as to how long Levi and Bristol actually dated.
emrysa,
I like your story @ 18:24 as well. I too believe that the Johnston's could have been told that Bristol and Levi's baby died when actually he was somewhere in NICU with Sarah planning to fake a pregnancy and raise him all along. The Johnston's are probably curious about Trig but I am really not sure if they are aware of the deception. This could be why Levi keeps repeating "as far as I know". Because he actually doesn't really know.
And to the anon. poster above that named all of the most recent hoaxes in the news, I agree, you can never predict what people will do for money, fame and attention. Sarah is a proven liar with a family that keeps secrets well. She and her family are very capable of pulling a hoax like this and so far they are getting away with it. This has got to be stopped.
Emrysa, while it is true that it does cost a lot of money to raise a DS child, but not as a VP ... remember she has delusions of grandeur.
I still wouldn't put it past her, but I do believe the disgust on her face reveals it is not a random baby. JMO, of course.
Gryphen does allow the three babies comments but not incest comments. hmmmm interesting.
@ Anonymous said...05 November 2009 18:09
A hint to the truth lies in the comments that Gryphen allows to go through and the ones he doesn't.
Pay attention
Yeah, that actually crossed my mind...
How do we know that BlueTx now is the same one from PD? You can enter any name you want. What if its Gryphen just trying to drum up support for his claims. What if Bluetx IS Gryphens source. Totally blows his claims out of the water if true
Just to go with the theory that Levi was told that his and Bristol's baby died. Is it possible that this worked best for Bristol as well because the baby (Trig) was not actually Levi's anyway? What if Bristol knew that Trig was someone elses but made Levi think that it was his so that he would keep quiet about her pregnancy. Remember Levi claimed that he was homeschooled in the Palin's home with Bristol sometimes during the time period that Bristol could have been pregnant with Trig. Also Levi's hockey coached confirmed his homeschooled status during this period. The father of Trig could be someone that Sarah believed to be less worthy than Levi so she felt a need to befriend Levi to unknowingly support her deception. Bristol is definitely not innocent in this IMO.
Emrysa: That makes sense, and also would explain when The Johnstons were on the Tyra show why they were so happy that Bristol & Levi had gotten pregnant again.
And may make sense why Levi is being coy with his recent answers about thinking Todd is the father and Sarah is the mother of Trig...
I want to add something to my theory.
if it is correct, that would mean that there are only 5 people in the know - sarah, bristol, todd, cbj, and molly. very easy to see how the truth could never come out of it's only these few people who know. none of these people involved would reveal the truth.
Anonymous said...
A hint to the truth lies in the comments that Gryphen allows to go through and the ones he doesn't.
Pay attention
05 November 2009 18:09
I proposed that Chuck Heath could be the father and that post didn't make it through.
My WV is dingship- Sarah's ship has been dinged and is going down.
nakedtruth I definitely believe it's possible that baby #1 was not levi's, either. for reasons that you state. it was just convenient to say that it was his. and who knows, maybe bristol told sarah it was his because bristol didn't want to say "well mom I don't know whose baby it is." I hate to think that is the case, but this is definitely a soap opera, so I suppose it's possible.
17:27, yes, there's no way that SP would be willing to act like she'd had a miscarriage. She would think that would make her seem weak, not to mention that no Presidential campaign would choose as VP someone who'd had a loss like that within a year.
Some recent anon brought up the idea that Levi was told that Bristol's baby was stillborn but that he really wasn't.
I'll take it one step further and wonder if it was possible that Bristol was also lied to about her baby being stillborn. Maybe Sarah wanted to adopt Bristol's baby but she said "no".
Is Sarah capable of lying, not only to the world about her pregnancy, but to Bristol as well, even as Sarah is "carrying" the baby that Bristol "lost"?
These are teenagers at the mercy of adults. It would take a pretty strong teenager to ask for a DNA test, especially with the accusation that a sitting Governor, then VP candidate (not to mention her mother or his girlfriends' mother) had lied, stolen a baby, and faked a pregnancy.
But they may have had their suspicions.
I wouldn't put anything past Sarah, except that she would adopt a special needs baby out of the goodness of her heart. I'm sorry to say that, if she really wanted to make a statement in that regard, she would have chosen a baby with special needs that wouldn't likely need lifelong care.
If Sarah looks upon Trig with disgust or disdain it's either because he's the product of some crazy shenanigans (Todd's affair for example) or because Trig isn't perfect.
If by some tiny chance, Sarah is the biological mom of Trig, I would believe in a second that she was upset, not only that she got pregnant in the first place, but that he survived being born prematurely (way before the "wild ride").
I think Bree has the right idea. This is Wasilla's version of Melrose Place, but with much less attractive people.
Whew!
Anon 18:09, do you mean that the comments that he allows through are off-base theories and the ones he doesn't are getting warm?
I can't find my comment from a little while ago. I will try again.
Let us assume that Mercede labelled her photos correctly, ie,
1. Mommy-in-Law, Trig and Myself (Sarah, Trig, and Sadie)
2. Me and my baby brother, Triggybear (Sadie and Trig)
3. Family Love (Sadie, Bristol, and Trig)
4. the unlabelled Levi and Trig and Sadie picture seen on the Tyra show
If we assume that Sadie knows the difference btw brother and nephew (and she did refer to the baby she was being kept away from seeing in about Jan of 2009 as her "nefu"), then she must believe that Trig is her brother at the time she labels the photos. She must also believe that there is some connection btw Trig and Bristol and Sarah and herself, since she labels that picture "Family Love". SO, what is the connection? Is it that Bristol and Levi are the parents of Trig? Sure, but then Trig is her nephew not her brother. Is it that her own parents are the parents of Trig and the Palins have agreed to adopt him? Could be, but why would they agree to such a thing? Why would she publish these pictures with these labels on her myspace account if the family has been sworn to secrecy? I don't know. I just cannot believe that the Johnstons do not know the story--and, believing so, DO believe that Sherry is somehow involved in this whole thing. She was very happy to hear that Bristol and Levi were expecting a baby and that she would be a Grandma, and she was looking forward to helping to care for her Grandchild in her home. Interesting how those plans were thwarted.
He said he is protecting a source and would not allow anything through that would upset them
@ Rationalist ... I have a feeling Palin may not have bothered to convince the "kids" to let her adopt baby#1 but instead simply made her Pregnancy announcement and dared them to contradict her with the threat they'd be out on their own with no money , insurance , cozy house on the lake (the other option being the supposed drug house of Levi and who wants that for their baby)Playing on their ignorance at the time of the upper hand they would really have in the end.
Came across this at True Slant - the two writers of Sarah from Alaska talk about how they were intimidated by Palin. Sorry I don't know how to do a hyperlink.
http://tinyurl.com/yhraeuh
ps - Patrick, Kathleen and Regina I really appreciate the fantastic job you are doing. This is my first go to blog on babygate. I respect Gryph but do get a bit frustrated by his cryptic method. I trust he is doing the right thing, as he sees fit.
Susan in MD
AS far as I remember learning, birth certificates for stillborn children do state: certificate of stilbirth . But with Sarahs friends in high places, ooops, a certificate of live birth could be issued.
Can someone explain how the name TRI-G is related to down syndrome? Not getting it. Tripp also has the TRI for trisomy 21, so even if trig was trip before trig, both have the tri thing going. What am I missing. I do realize my brain is hurting from all the possible theories we've got going recently!
Gryphen says he won't allow any comments through that mention incest or that might upset his source. This tells us that his source is a member of the Palin, Johnson, or Heath families. A comment could be rejected because it is too close to the truth, or because it is off the wall but would be offensive to his source.
You know what would make my "blood run cold"? Sarah telling Bristol her premature baby had died when it hadn't. This happens A LOT--women are told their baby died when it didn't and are prevented from seeing the "dead child" by those who claim to have their best interests at heart. So it is very possible that both Bristol and Levi--AND Gryphen's source--are ignorant of what really happened.
Another thing that would disturb me would be if Sarah had the child very premature and simply abandoned it in the hospital hoping it would die.
Funny WV: spinciti, i.e., spin city
19:13, I thought he had agreed to not say outright anything that the source didn't give him the ok to, not that he had to pick and choose comments, as well...
Alaskan Sisu here....
I appreciate everyone's efforts, also too.
Blog baby blog - Blog until the cows come home!!!
Trolls - they don't bother me MUCH, they stick out like sore thumbs...shhhh
Alaskan Sisu here....
I appreciate everyone's efforts, also too.
Blog baby blog - Blog until the cows come home!!!
Thank you Patrick, for a great post. And I certainly appreciate all the bloggers' work and efforts; and everyone working towards outing the hoax of SP.
There are lots of annoying long troll posts. Taking up time and space, changing topic; stumbling blocks with snide remarks.
I keep thinking, stay on target, stay on target.
I'm also thinking Mercedes was right. And mommy inlaw meant something else, legally speaking. There is photo evidence that shows Mercedes and Levi holding T1, so there is a relationship between the three.
Molly I get it. But what if the Johnston's did believe that Bristol and Levi's baby died. They would have been full of grief about the death and very excited once Bristol announced she was pregnant again. As for the Sadie pictures, we all have thought that they were taken well before April 18th, Trig's presentation, but what if they were actually taken a few days after the 18th and because Trig wasn't bundled up he looked smaller. Remember he looked small at Sarah's baby shower that actually happened in May '08. Sadie did not upload the pictures of the family with Trig until May so they could have been taken anytime before then. Sadie then uses 'mommy in law' in as a caption because she now knows that Bristol is pregnant with Levi's baby and they will be family. She calls Trig her baby brother because he's her sister-in-laws brother and now her brother because of her friendship with Bristol who dates her brother. Teenage talk IMO. Maybe she didn't know or think he was her 'nefu' at the time.
I remember Patrick once had a theory that Bristol could have given birth to Trig out of State. If Levi wasn't present and wasn't married to Bristol at the time of Trig's birth, this would have made it easy for Sarah to talk Bristol into going along with the deception. I am still thinking that they did not know about the DS until Trig was actually born.
But the person commenting above stating that Bristol may have told that Trig (who was probably Trip #1 to Bristol) died could be onto something as well. This could be why Levi said that Sarah did not tell him, Bristol and the rest of the kids that she was pregnant until a couple of days before she announced it to the public. This could have been all a part of her plan.
emrysa, et al:
I think this makes sense, as Sarah's motivation is the weakest link in the 3 babies theory. What do we know about Levi's presence around the Palins after Trig appeared?
And when exactly was Bristol in Anchorage? Could she have been tending to Tripp1/Trig in secret?
Trip was most likely born in late Jan. and trig early 2008. After all we only have $P word on both birth dates. She is willing to lie about the smallest thing like two stories about telling the girls about her VP pick. The cook being fired was a lie too, she was reassigned somewhere else.
Hello Regina, Patrick, and so many others who have been puzzling about the many lies of SP for over a year now. It's really good to see your names and listen to your commentary!
I haven't posted comments or written a new blog post in a while - but from time to time I read 'the latest' here and at IM and Bree's... and I still firmly believe all these efforts will not have been for naught.
There's lots left to puzzle about though! I may have gone quiet, but all is well and when other life-distractions recede, I'll happily try to sift through the new material with you.
bucks_and_bron, thank you for identifying where "gruesome" started. Such horrid words should not be tossed about carelessly.
*hugs*
Sarah's ability and willingness to lie about anything and everything is what makes anything and everything possible as far as what happened and the motivation behind it.
To be perfectly honest, I was unwilling to believe in the idea that Trig wasn't her biological child for a long time. In my opinion (and it still isn't completely discounted in my mind) I've often considered her actions during the time she was supposed to be pregnant those of someone who is deliberately trying to cause a miscarriage.
Bind yourself up, exercise a lot, keep your stress levels high, and the whole "skinny photos,not telling anyone she was pregnant, the wild ride" all enforced that belief. My feeling was she did not want to have a child that was less than perfect, so she was doing everything within her power to cause a deliberate miscarriage.
It wasn't until I saw the back and forth photos, thin, fat, thin, that I considered maybe she wasn't pregnant after all.
But the fact that we now know that she will lie about even the most innocuous things makes it even more suspicious that she is hiding something.
anon. @ 18:46--BlueTX was active on PD's blog for awhile. He actively tried to convince everyone that Sarah was Trig's mother, but he was not convincing at all. He did NOT always argue for the "Bristol is not the bio mom" point of view. To the contrary, here is an excerpt from one of his comments on PD on January 12, 2009:
"And I do believe that its possible that Bristol is the bio mother of Trig and SP is covering(for image reasons and maybe even to protect her daughter) and going to raise Trig as her own, and the family never wanted Trig to find out. But they did a poor job of creating a cover story for him.
I have seen the damage that airing a family's private matter has done to the children in a family because of the mistakes of the adults, and believe me the children are hurt far worse than the adult is. So I just suggest to exercise some caution where the kids are concerned. And not to use the excuse of "Well SP is doing it to her children" so it makes it ok for me to twist the knife."
Here is another comment from BlueTX on PD's blog:
BlueTx said...
To questionall...
No one said SP was mother of the year. She will have to live with the choices she makes. Just like all families.
But her actions are seperate from the actions of people trying to make sure the country knows about Bristol's or Willow's personal issues. They didn't ask for this. They are being forced by their mother.
And I think there are better ways to fulfill your goals of making sure SP holds no political office, than what could amount to simply opening the wounds of young girls and pouring salt in it.
*****************************
These comments lead me to believe that BlueTX believes that Bristol is Trig's mother and that "mistakes of the adults" are being kept secret.
Ennealogic--glad to hear from you!
For those who may not know, Ennealogic has a blog with some SP posts @ http://threebrain.blogspot.com/search/label/babygate
If we believe BlueTx has altruistic motives, it's still true that this has become much larger than the Palins.
Maybe Sarah should have blinked.
Let's also remember that the white house next to the palin's new castle was rented by the Palins at some point.
Bristol and babies could have been stashed there.
You know, the writing style of BlueTx on PD and BlueTX here are very different. Just an aside. But who knows for sure whether they are the same person or not. All the more reason to ignore!
Ooops! I should have said "the writing style...IS very different." I'm my own grammar nazi.
Wow! Lots to think about. Thanks for all the hard work everyone has put into this.
I really don't know *what* to think anymore!
But-- I agree the gray is much harder to read than the way it was before!
haha Rationalist, maybe it should be, "the writing styles....are very different."
Btw, I love your posts!
Oh, for crying out loud, you're right. The styles ARE different.
I first started reading PD when the subject of the Wild Ride was being discussed. As someone who gave birth to two children, and had leaked amniotic fluid with the second, I could not believe that Sarah headed for the airport and a long trip home instead of heading to the nearest hospital.
All the time that I was reading PD, my initial reaction was that Bristol and Levi were Trig's parents, and the Sarah covered for her daughter, as many other mothers have covered for their pregnant,unwed teen also.
Recently, comments at Gryphens seemed to refute that idea. Bristol may not know who the mother is. Levi and Bristol are not Trig's biological parents. The story that made sense was the three baby one being discussed.
I also remember a strange remark that Sarah was supposed to have made, regarding telling people that Bristol wasn't pregnant. As soon as she shut those rumors up, lo and behold, Bristol was pregnant, putting Sarah in a difficult place. Can't remember if the remark was made in reference to baby #1 or #2.
Let's say that Bristol was pregnant sometime in the fall of 2007. This could have proven an embarrassment to Sarah who had VP ambitions, so she badgered Bristol & Levi to let her adopt the baby, it will be a secret, no one will know. I like the idea that someone suggested that Bristol & Levi said no. Sarah didn't accept that answer, so she just put on her scarf, marched into her office and announced, to the surprise of all, that she was pregnant. (She had tried hiding Bristol at her aunt's house, other tactics, but as Bristol showed more, the birth was getting near, Sarah pulled out her scarves and went into action).
So let's just say that Sarah is in full pregnancy mode. The one thing that we don't know about with what kind of lobbying and planning was going on behind the scenes on Sarah's part to progress her chances to be picked as VP.
Here a wild idea. (I have a great imagination). Maybe she was courting people like the Reverend Dobson who controlled a large conservative voter segment. She had impressed conservative visitors who came up to Alaska to meet her. Any of them might have emailed her that they were proud of her family values. (Ever wonder what is in the emails that Sarah still won't turn over?)
There was a website promoting Sarah for VP early in 2008, run by a real kid in his parents' basement. Has anyone cached his comments and remarks? Maybe he applauded Sarah for her family values in managing a pregnancy while governing the state of Alaska. She may have loved the attention she was getting.
In order for Gryphen's comments to work here, Trip-before-he-was-Trig would either be born prematurely and just not make it, or be still born. His problems may have been due to the substance abuse and wild party life style of his teen parents.
But, Sarah was in full pregnancy mode, and didn't want to call it off. The attention and adoration was too great. The only child available on short notice, thanks either to the church and/or Dr.CBJ had DS. Eventually, Sarah saw the political advantage to this choice.
Like many of you, I am puzzled by Mercede's labels of baby brother and mommy-in-law. That might point to either Keith or Sherry being the parent. Sherry said that she had a hysterectomy. Keith could have been with anybody, but with either of these people being the parents, Sarah would have no motive to adopt the DS child and claim him as her own. Mercede's remarks are a real loose thread here. The only reason that Sarah is mommy-in-law is if Levi and Bristol planned on getting married.
I also agree with the poster who wrote that Gryphen's source may not have the full and accurate story. They may believe they are telling him the truth, but they only have part of the real picture. We are working a a table sized jigsaw puzzle, and we still don't have all of the pieces.
Special thanks to Regina, Patrick and Kathleen for giving people the chance to work out every possible combination of clues.
Anyone who's familiar with Oprah's show... How does she react to someone who acts like I think sarah will if asked anything she doesn't want to answer? I'm just having a hard time envisioning this interview, esp if she's on for the full hour.
Thanks everyone for your input regarding the colour change.
Regina changed the colour - it is up to her whether we go back to the original style or not.
Yes, thank you, Patrick, Kathleen & Regina for allowing this freestyle conversation. It's far more satisfying than waiting hours for a comment to be posted.
Anon at 20:59 - I'm with you but enrysa has a point. The difference, aside from whether there are REALLY two babies or three (not just whether Levi thinks there are), is whether Bristol is in the deception.
I keep thinking about Blagojevich. I never would have believed someone could be bold enough to try to sell a Senate seat when the country was watching until I heard the tapes. Similarly, Palin's hubris is massive, and she's a narcissist.
I guess what has me leaning more towards there actually being two babies but Levi (and possibily Bristol) thinking there were three is that Levi does not seem like he's in on it. If Sarah had blatantly attempted to steal their baby by wearing scarves and announcing a pregnancy, he would be aware of her scheme. But if the baby was somehow "lost," he would wonder but not know.
Also - about Mercede - I can totally see her referring to Sarah as "Mommy-in-Law" if her brother was essentially (or truly) married to Bristol. And Triggybear would be her brother if she felt sisterly to Bristol. So it all fits if Mercede thinks Trig is Sarah's.
Anon: I am not an Oprah watcher but I also, too, can't imagine she can do a whole hour of lying and not answering direct questions and get away with it.
Unless it is all totally softball with audience questions like: you are so awesome, how do you do it all?"
A simple question like, tell us what you have been doing for special needs kids? would be too much!
She has done NOTHING for kids except make speeches for groups that want to force us all to have special needs babies against our will.
I want to know what Levi is going to do when Sarah's book is published. That's when the sparks will fly!
Mission accomplished ;)
PLEASE PUT THE BLOG BACK INTO ITS ORIGINAL STATE!
It is more difficult to read now, and the piggies do not fly anymore in that ugly box on top!
JMHO.
One thing that seems to happen with trolls is that they expect the blog owner wants, primarily, to increase traffic. When you look at these trolls' own blogs you see how pathetic they are. Long postings with few comments if any. So when the critiques are softened with, "this will increase your traffic," look for someone more interested in popularity than truth.
And to continue with true motivations, we have to consider what motivates SP. I think that very strong in her motivations is the projection that she is strong on "family values." The primary of these is the continuation of her marriage. I think that is probably stronger than her feelings for her children. She needs to present Todd and herself as a successful couple.
The problem I find w gryph's remarks about the DOB's being significant, is that there is no PROOF of either childs DOB... so what are we to deduce from that exactly?
Is he emphasizing that those dates, one or both are bogus? or is he emphasizing the dates that the public has been spoon fed are somehow significant? with no basis in fact what kind of crazy line is that to follow?
He states that SP did NOT give birth on 4/18/08... does he mean that she did NOT give birth? or that she did not give birth ON 4/18/08? his emphasis was on "NOT"... which makes the remainder rather cryptic. Perhaps if he made a mistake on his emphasis he would clarify?
Which puts me back to my original dilemma... and all of us back to pure speculation regarding the 2 T's DOB's.
I'm pretty much done over at IM... he censors posts that he just doesn't like... I have taken him to task a couple of times and he won't post my comments.
I was a fan at IM until the carrot stringing became kind of ridiculous and I pressed him on it.
I'd like to see the truth of this matter reach the light of day, but really don't enjoy the disingenuousness and deception I perceive at IM.
I believe that he never intended to tell us the whole truth all the while. Especially now we know that he won't, and intends to let someone else out it all. Seems like an icky ploy to up his readership.
I dunno... I've just had it with what seems to be a very sensational gossipy ride at IM. My roller coaster ride over there is over.
And if I am wrong about him, my apologies in advance, but then we just won't know will we? After whoever spills their beans and then he claims to have known all along, I for one will find that a bitter pill to swallow.
If gryphen actually knows anything worth telling he has not done himself or his readers any favors in the wild ride he created on his blog. Unlike the authors here.
Thanks for sticking in there Paligates folks and for all of your hard work.
not sure exactly who this "jourenlle" person thinks they are, but I HATE the greyed out background...
and she is obvuously THICK if she doesn't get the pigs...
I say TROLL...
I want the old page back...
Being the biological mother of T1 and speaking pro-life, SP used that hoax to sway my vote. Soon she will be riding around on a bus, signing her book and probably speaking at rallies to build up that Teabagging base. Now would be a good time.
were LJ and BP ever married? I seem to recall some talk of that...hence MJ referring to SP as MIL.
Anon at 22:05 - if you are for real, and you truly responded to Palin's "Super Mom" narrative only to become convinced it was a lie, then I hope there are more like you out there.
Going to be gone for the weekend but will be stealing back to read the newest posts as much as possible. Have a productive weekend, everyone.
Anonymous @17:57, I think you are right, and there was duress.
Hey Gryphen has once again confirmed that he is speaking to Levi's people.
"You know I asked about this Twitter account a while back and found out it was not Levi's."
So why does he insist on saying that he is keeping his sources private?
Gryphen get a backbone and tell us what you know.
I sit here and I'm thinking, why are people harping on the other blogs? Here is my take, I appreciate all the discussions...bx2 etc. WHY? Because every theory makes people think, and I believe that some are too focused on it being Bristol, I think it "is" a red herring or a Karl Rove tactic myself, I've always thought that and I think that SP is banking on that and she is indebted to Bristol for just that reason. Just my opinions! Thank you!
I've heard others speak of a short-lived blog by someone named Morgan who did a photo analysis of a few pictures of Bristol. Did anyone save copies of those pictures before she shut down her blog? I never saw them and now I'm curious!
midnightcajun at 16:45 (back a ways) posted a comment about the strange and strangely changing size of Trig after his birth (as well as during his 'gestation'). This has puzzled me ever since I met Sarah and Todd and Trig at the Governor's picnic in Fairbanks on July 26th 2008. I was in their space, as Sarah signed her puff piece book for my father (he was thrilled). Todd stood just behind her, holding Trig.
He had him in a 'football' hold, head in the crook of his arm and feet at the end of his fingertips. Trig was (as usual, in spite of the noise and confusion of the picnic) fast asleep. He looked very young. I told Sarah, "Your baby is beautiful". She said,
"Thank you very much, I appreciate that." Trig was beautiful, very clear skin and peaceful expression.
So. Fast forward to the RNC convention 33 days later. I could not believe the huge baby being toted around on stage was the same child ! Still don't believe it for that matter.
I never watch Dateline but just by chance (?) saw a program a few weeks after the RNC convention about a woman who makes 'fake babies' -- VERY realistic, lifelike dolls which can easily fool the average passerby. Looking at those dolls, I realized that THAT is what the 'Trig' I saw really resembled.
How convenient would it be to travel with a doll baby (as in the sling mentioned by midnightcajun)
which never cried, never leaked, always slept ? While the real baby was sequestered with its real mom somewhere.
I cannot imagine the mental state which such deception would engender, but I do believe that I was not in the presence of a real baby at that picnic. (Nobody was going to mess with Todd, for sure, about the baby, you can bet on that.)
Anon at 2327, I was just thinking the same thing about all the photos of the governor carrying around a baby in a sling. I wondered if he ever upset an interview with crying or smelling pretty bad. Maybe that's why she didn't worry about car seats.
I've read this blog since its very first day and never had a thought that there was "too much contrast" between the classic choice of black and white. Please.
The contrast of blackc and white in print is journalism's age old symbol for the search for truth - no shades of grey : ) Although in the end none of it matters that much. Because this blog is where the ideas bubble and percolate about Serror's biggest secret shame and her ultimate kismet.
So keep those piggies flying!
Anon 23:27
Thank you very much, very interesting comment!
It's still gray! The blog was much better before. I can't stand it and I am having trouble reading it now. I do almost everything on an Iphone and this blog was my favorite because it was so easy to read! Is it going to stay like this Patrick? No offense but the different shades of gray don't look great. No one has ever complained before today, ever.
INSTANT COMMENT????
since when,,,
I commented 2x hours ago... and neither one has posted...
I have NEVER experienced instant comment here now or ever...
As I advised earlier in this thread Patrick did not change the colour, Regina did.
We have written to Regina suggesting that she changes it back and await her reply.After all, this is her blog not mine or yours.
So please no more comments about the colour of the blog - it is being dealt with.
Regina I just saw that you changed the color, why? If you notice your long time readers who you know are all saying the same thing. It's much harder to read now. It was GREAT before!!!!!! Please change it back!
Sorry everyone to harp on this but I have some trouble with my eyes and this is awful.
"Your comment has been saved.
It may take a moment for your comment to appear on the site. "
don't call that INSTANT... call it moderated...
hours are no generally considered MOMENTS
I have always had comments show up within 30 seconds or less. I use Firefox. Does that have anything to do with the time to show up?
I've used other computers and never a problem. I don't recall what programs they had.
The comments show up instantly. With a few exceptions of maybe a 30 sec delay (rare). Very rare if longer.
Anon 00:18
What the heck are you talking about? All comments appear immediately. There is no pre-moderation on this blog. Maybe you should remember Sarah Palin's advice and "quit making things up".
In addition to my previous comment:
Maybe you are not aware that once we have more than 200 comments on a thread, the ones starting from 201 only show up on the next page - you have to click on "Newest" on the right-hand corner above the comment box to see the comments starting from 201.
WHEN YOU SEE
"Your comment has been saved.
It may take a moment for your comment to appear on the site."
CLICK WHERE IT SAYS
"Jump to comment form"
IT SHOULD TAKE YOU TO THE LATEST COMMENT.
I've never had a problem. It is as instant/moment as it gets.
Bravo, Patrick! This blog is the only Palin blog with instant comments, as I mentioned earlier today, and it is greatly appreciated. Nothing worse than brainstorming and having to wait for moderation.
Yeah I like Gryphen, too but when he said he can't reveal the story until someone else tells it first bothers me
Didn't he post awhile back that if we sit tight we will be the first to hear the lurid details? That we will first hear it on his blog?
maybe he wants Shannon to blow the story wide open since she is already in the media eye..
perhaps she feeds him info with the deal that it is "her story"?
My guess is it's someone much bigger than Shannyn. However, it's just my opinion.
GRYPHEN is not the problem.
There are bigger fish to fry. When I don't like a blog I don't follow it and I rarely complain. I like Gryphen. I do get frustrated but I attribute that to Sarah Palin getting by with breaking the law, abuse of power and toward children. She is disparaging a teen age Levi, or she has others do it for her. Trashing Levi is about to go viral.
Will Levi be remembered as that dead beat dad who spoke ill of his almost mother in law?
I hope Rex and Tank are doing well for Levi and Tripp's best interests. I wonder at times. Check out what is going on with late night TV and Levi.
GRYPHEN is not the problem.
I too love the instant comments. Thank all for a terrific blog.
Never had a problem with comments here: always posted, always pretty much instantaneous. I have, however, occasionally not noticed for a moment that we had gone over 200 comments and that I needed to go to next page :-)
And yes, Anon 23:27, interesting comment. This issue of the infant size, especially of Trig/T1 is VERY interesting. We tend to believe Trig/T1 is the same baby in the MySpace photos from the captions themselves, from the other people who are in the pictures, and by the affection shown to him by certain people. But that baby is *tiny*.
The baby presented by Todd and Sarah on the Monday after April 18, 2008 looks pretty average sized, and mature and healthy. Doesn't look like a 1 month premature baby just born two days before that has jaundice, heart problems, and could easily be having typical feeding problems of Downs.
The report, again referred to by 23:27, about Trig in the football carry, still small in late July. And then we saw this BIG baby at the RNC. There was that interesting article where somebody tracked down the shops where clothing was being purchased for the RNC. Baby clothes sizes were noted, and they were definitely not newborn size, but a fair bit larger. If I can remember where that article is, I will post the link.
The RNC was a big deal, not a situation of a thrifty family buying clothing a bit large so that the baby doesn't outgrow it so soon. Instead it was a time when they wanted the family to look good. Well, except maybe Bristol bolster bust - what were they thinking??? Trig was wearing the 9 month size (I think that was the size) clothing bought for him and filling it out completely. According to dates he wasn't even 5 months old and he was suddenly gigantic.
So it's hard to believe that the Mercedes MySpace baby was Trig after all, unless he really was born months before April 18 and photographed in the interim.
Again, that reinforces my opinion that Bristol is the mother of Trig/T1 who was born months early.
But who knows? I have even wondered if there were non-identical twins born prematurely, one larger and healthier than the other. One is the little infant in the MySpace photos, one is the large infant of the RNC. Either something happened to one of them, or the smaller was able to be hidden away and was still small enough to be presented as "Tripp" in early 2009.
That goes completely in the opposite direction of Gryphen's newest information. But while I think Gryphen is sincere, I do wonder if he is being told things by people who think they know the truth, but they actually don't.
Here I am just thinking out loud. I really don't think the twins explanation is likely.
But I do think that there could be something to the church and adoption angle, including Dr. CBJ and her likely easy access to babies for adoption.
Rationalist's recent postings (last day or two) come closest to what I think now. The one area where I do seem to disagree with what many are expressing is that I personally DO think that Sarah would adopt a Downs infant to boost her credibility with the all important "family values" voters. She wasn't planning to do the actual baby raising, so if it helped to the goal, I am guessing she would just see another door to plow through.
She knew that she had a shot in the Veepstakes, and in particular that once McCain was picked, her stock went up considerably. McCain was not liked by the base, and it seemed inevitable that he would have to court them. Either that or run to the middle. But the "middle" candidate would have been Romney. He was the favored candidate of the Bush and establishment Republicans. Toward the "conservative" base was the direction McCain had to go. The people high in the Religious Right were aware of Palin, and I think she knew this. She is no intellectual, but she is clever at self promotion. Reading Blumenthal provides the understanding of just how attractive Palin would be to the people who have flocked to her and continue to view her as a literal savior of their view of America.
ArmchairJane, I also agree with you in the thinking that $arah would do anything, including procuring a DS baby, for her shot as the VP candidate. Absolutely.
And while we are thinking aloud, I had a thought similar to yours above regarding the Mercede baby pics. I'm starting to think that was not the same baby presented as Trig at the RNC. Another reader here today mentioned her physically meeting $arah at the gov's picnic on July 26, 2008 and wrote that the baby was tiny compared to the child presented as Trig at the RNC.
I had never considered that angle because I was preoccupied thinking only the "dates" of the MJ pics were possibly earlier than May. I never considered it could be an entirely different baby.
My head hurts...
Thanks, Armchair Jane and CC. Those are great comments.
My bad, ACJ, I was referring to the same poster without realizing you were properly citing the time they left the post. But it appears we are on the same wavelength.
What needs explaining re baby sizes:
Trig in Mercede's photos is a tiny infant, not at ALL pink, chubby, or healthy looking. Trig in his 'presentation' photos allegedly just 2 days after birth is a bright pink, healthy looking baby, replete with cheeks so plump they nearly kept his eyes from opening fully. Trig at the May 8th 'baby shower' is the undersized, pale, anemic looking infant seen in Mercede's photos.
April 20-21 Trig looks fine, even robust...but 2-3 weeks AFTER that he appears at the baby shower looking sickly, pale, and drastically undersized.
Reports of a tiny preemie looking Trig at the picnic in July, still in preemie clothes and diapers...do not square at ALL with the enormous infant presented a few weeks later on the RNC stage.
Does anything -- anything at all -- EVER make sense with this group?
Hannah:
Nope! Nothing makes sense at all. And after further contemplation I am convinced the baby in the MJ pics is not the infant presented at the RNC. I wish there was a way of proving it.
Spinning head--C
Another theory--Bristol preg. and Sarah will adopt-She and Levi say no. Bristol had Baby 1 prematurely in Wasilla, baby was transferred to Anchorage ICU so Bristol went to stay with her Aunt in Anchorage to be near him. Levi and Palin children were told the baby did not survive (Levi may not even be the father but as a good friend, he cared about her. The baby 1 is doing well so Sarah has to come up with a quick plan, Baby is then transferred to Wasilla under an fake name and getting well enough to be released. Needs to excelarate her plan--Big belly fast--and Sarah comes up with the wild ride and adopts Trig to cover for Bristol, I think Levi suspects this is the baby he was told did not survive but doesn't have the proof. Who would have the proof-Bristol-Sarah-Todd.
I am somewhat new around here, thanks for the great work!
I have a question. Do you know for sure that the Mercede pictures are of Trig? Other than the "Triggybear" comment, of course. I haven't been around long enough to know if it has been discussed already.
If I wasn't told it was Trig, I don't think I would have thought it was him.
Tripp #1???
Thanks!
My baby lost weight the first week, but she didn't look that different or smaller. Even if they have trouble with breastfeeding at first, they don't really change size so anyone outside the family would notice.
i think Bree needs to do new photo comparisons of the babies, for likeness and progression of growth.
Why not?
We've done everything else!
02:51 -- well, mercede clearly identifies that baby, whomever he is or was born to, as "trig", "triggybear", etc.
I do believe if we could unravel her photo captions, we'd be very far indeed -- she posted those photos before babygate, before VP, before she and her family were household names. What she wrote on those photos was there because she wanted it to be, not because she was trying to lead anyone to a certain conclusion.
I believe mercede's giving of the Levi/Trig photo to Tyra Banks producers even when the show was supposed to be about TriPP...was her way of saying "I can't talk about this, but here is a big clue".
Patrick and Diana both have lots of pictures on Flickr. You can see pictures of Trig.
Link of Trig's pictures on Diana's Flickr account:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33163903@N05/sets/72157612078543682/
Link to Patrick's pictures:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32527116@N06/sets/
Link to Ennealogic's blog comparing 5 week premature babies to Trig
http://threebrain.blogspot.com/2009/08/what-5-week-preemie-really-looks-like.html
The collection with the Mercede Johnston "Triggybear" pictures can be found here:
Mercede Johnston pictures with Trig
I thought I would assemble some of Gryphen's prior comments from April and May about babygate. This is very long so I will have to do it in several posts.
April 6: Update: Holy crap! Mercedes is definitely sending a message to Sarah Palin and to all of us who are following the "babygate" story. Go back and watch that first video. Seven minutes in there is a picture of Mercedes and Sarah Palin with a baby. THAT BABY IS NOT TRIPP! That is a picture of Mercedes with Trig from her My Space page.
April 7: At this point I am unable to say for certain if one or both of these children belong to Levi. But I will say that it seems clear that he and his family BELIEVE that one, or both of them, belong to Levi.
I will also volunteer that I don't believe that Sarah had Trig, and that I believe that Bristol had both children. Beyond that I have to say that I am not sure WHAT to believe.
April 8: The Johnston family continues their media campaign to pressure Sarah Palin into letting Levi see his son/sons.
And what seems like the more likely reason to have Levi living in the Palin household? To hopefully impregnate your teenage daughter? Or to help watch the child you already have together? I am just asking.
April 15: And who knows he may be so grateful that he would be willing to talk to a certain Alaska blogger about some lingering questions surrounding the birth of Tripp, and little TriggyBear.
Stay tuned for further updates.
April 18: Okay if both Todd and Bristol share the responsibilities of little Trig, than why did she take him to her OBGYN appointment? Why would anybody ask a teenage girl, about to give birth any minute (supposedly), the responsibility of caring for her infant brother?
Hell even accepting that Trig is her child, why wouldn't anybody take him during this appointment? I guess it is feasible that Willow was with her and helping, but that really does not make it that much more acceptable.
April 22: Anyhow we were discussing some super secret blogger stuff, so clearly it was much more important than Jon Stewart. Besides Shannyn said that if I did not tell her everything I knew she would stalk me. Which would be awesome!
April 22: What struck me immediately is that Levi and Sherry are still being very careful concerning the answering of questions. I was also struck by how Mercedes is much less restrained and seems quite anxious to start talking.
I would love to give her the opportunity.
I am also not very happy about the prospects of Levi writing a book, because I believe what he knows should be shared much sooner than a book would allow. I would also like to help HIM with that.
The interview did not reveal much and it is very clear that the Johnstons are carefully trying to draw the Governor out of hiding to interact with them about Levi's access to Tripp. But I was very happy to see that they may have realized by the end of the interview that they are going to have to take the Palins to court to receive any satisfaction.
Second installment from Gryphen's babygate comments (edited) from April-May:
April 28: A potpourri of rumor, information, and a teaser or two.
The above information is just the tip of the iceberg, but I have made promises about the rest of what I learned and cannot reveal it online right now. Please don't bother asking me because trust me, when it can be told it will be told. Until then I will provide any new information that I come across that will not interfere in Levi's book deal or cause his family any distress.
P.S. I have shared some of the more sensitive information with my fellow bloggers so do not worry that I am in any danger or that this information will not be made public at some point, it will. That is what makes us such a formidable community of bloggers.
April 30: And I had much to share with my one and only child. Oh yes, very much indeed.
She told me about her cool new job, her often complex love life, and when she was finally going to come up and visit her old dad. Then she asked me what was going on in my life.
A few minutes later there was only stunned silence on her end of the phone.
"Dad, that is awesome!" she said. Of course I had to tell her that she could not share, and she told me not to worry. She had many questions, and I tried to answer what I could and cautioned her to remember that things were moving along slowly and I did not know when everything would be available for publication, but I had great hope it would be soon.
Third installment:
May 4: Tank Jones and the blogger.
There has been a lot of buzz lately about Mr. Jones and the possibility he is working to reveal the secrets of the Palin family. If that is true than that pisses me off.
The pro-Palin people are correct that I went to see Mr. Jones a while back. As I had written about on this blog I had thought it a good idea to create a fund to help Levi Johnston and the Johnson family and that was the idea that I brought to Tank.
Simply put he rebuffed me. Tank did not think that it looked good for his client to receive money from us as that would make him look exactly like they are on a "quest for fame, attention, and fortune". (To quote the statement issued from the Palin camp.)
So my next approach was to try and hire Tank to do some investigative work for me to find out the truth behind some of our many questions surrounding Sarah Palin. That request did not bring me any satisfaction either.
As I talked to him that day Tank received no less than four phone calls on his cell phone that interrupted our conversation and he actually got up and left the room to talk to Mr. Butler at least twice. To say he is under a barrage of requests for his time is an obvious understatement.
I am a fairly convincing person, and I did my best to get Tank to work with me, but it soon became very clear that Mr. Jones is very dedicated to helping the Johnston family and simply is not going to do ANYTHING that jeopardizes Levi getting to spend time with his son.
I enjoyed my conversation with Mr. Jones, and he is a colorful character to be sure, but at this point I do not feel he will ever give me any information that will do me any good whatsoever. Since that time, I have called him a few times but he screens his calls and I can never seem to get through.
However it did occur to me that there are other private investigator's in this town, and they may not have the access that Tank Jones has, but they are not nearly as costly either.
So I decided to come at this story from a bunch of different angles in the hope that soon something would shake loose. I have been in contact with some people in Wasilla, and Anchorage, who have been willing to tell me some very interesting information, but not one of them will go public with it which is proving to be very frustrating. But at least I know I am on the right track. (This is what I was referring to in last Tuesday's post.) [Note: referring to April 28th post]
I have also bought a lot of lunches, and a few drinks to loosen lips, and get to the information I am seeking, and my funds have all but dried up. So I will definitely be putting up that PayPal button in the next few days.
I listened to the interview that Eddie (gag) Burke did with Rex Butler. I have no idea if I am the person that Rex was referring to, but I am fairly certain that they have received similar requests from other interested parties. But my advice is don't waste your time because that leads to a six foot four dead end named Tank Jones.
But the good news of course is that the Johnston family is well protected and that if Levi wants to tell his story it will definitely be heard. I know I , and my visitors, are on pins and needles.
Fourth installment:
Sunday, May 10, 2009 Rumor Roundup.
If you are one of my visitors who really hates teasers, than stop reading right now. Though this is not technically a teaser post it may frustrate many of you. I apologize ahead of time.
There has been a sort of incessant buzz coming from Wasilla, as well as a few other places recently that has stirred up a great deal of interest and speculation.
In response my comments section and e-mail box have been filled with people wondering if this is my doing or if I know what is going on.
To both questions I have to respond with a not very satisfying answer of "I am not sure".
I have heard from at least ONE source that my posts have caused some people to start talking amongst themselves in the wilds of Wasilla and perhaps thinking that it is time to start telling the tale that everybody is waiting to hear. But I also hear from others that everybody is waiting to see if Levi writes his book, and then decide if they stay quiet or start talking.
For example I received this e-mail a few days ago, purporting to come from the CNN comments section.
On a CNN comments page:
"Wasilla Cowgirl May 8th, 2009 6:14 pm ETIf the MSM would seriously investigate, they would find there is more to this. SP is doing preDamage control (Bristol too) before the truth comes out about Bristols first baby. Hint-this is the 2nd and it's a sad, sordid story."
I did a little research and may have some idea of who "Wasilla Cowgirl" is but hesitate to reach out because of her age and gender. I may have somebody else that I can send her way, but I have not yet pursued that option.
And then there was this from our very own kygirl915 which many of you read in the comments section of my previous posts:
Gryphen,I also live in AK and we are just waiting for the Trig truth to come out, I live just down the road from Wasilla and rumor has it that the truth is going to be revealed very soon, when the "time is right". I fact that she is "supposedly" anti-abortion, and that SHE had Trig is why people support her, that's what she runs on. Well guess what - that is all getting ready to change. So stand by everyone, there are ALOT of people here who want ALL the truth about her revealed. I also talked to someone who is trying to reveal the truth about her house, when she was Mayor she changed some of the laws that would provide the paperwork. But guess what there are some pissed off people ready to talk (to the FBI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!).
And then later this:
The people here are just plain tired of her, but at the same time there are plenty of die hards, and then you have the people here who just don't care, they hunt they fish and as long as you're not stepping directly on their toes they just don't care. I work with people from Wasilla that hang out with SP's sister's kids, and you would not believe the number of people that hang on her every lie, and sadly believe what she says. I'm hoping the people that are mad, will go ahead and make the contacts that they said they would, and do it soon, I just know that there are many things in the works.
And just to make all of this seem even more valid, we have Governor Sarah Palin, the queen of the limelight chasers, staying away from a swanky function that would usually draw her like a moth to a flame, and sending the First Dude instead? That simply does not make a bit of sense to me.
So even if I am very careful not to jump to too many conclusions, I think it is safe to say that SOMETHING is happening.
Next installment:
I also think that it is getting more likely that neither I, nor Palin's Deceptions, nor even Levi Johnston, will be the ones to break this story. It almost seems as if somebody, it might be one of us but who knows, has ignited a fuse that will soon result in an explosion of information. And do you know what? That is fine with me.
I have said so many times that I am sick of hearing it myself, that ALL I care about is learning the truth. I do not have to be the one that gets the credit, I just want to help to find out what really happened. And to learn with absolute certainty whether or not Alaskans, and the rest of America, were the subject of the biggest hoax in political history.
I have every confidence that we are closer now than we have ever been, but like I said that does not necessarily mean that you will learn of it first on this blog. That would be nice, but I would happily read it right along with the rest of you from another source, and still feel satisfied at finally having the truth revealed.
In the meantime I am playing a waiting game and hoping that the seeds I planted bear fruit in the coming weeks. Promises have been made so let us see if they are as honest with me as I have been with them.
May 11: I thought you all might like this. Topix has a new poll asking "Who gave birth to Trig?"
Go on over and let the world know what you think.
May 12: Okay now with this piece having fallen into place it is time for the truth to be revealed before Governor Palin has the chance to lie to the people of this country in book form for the bargain price of $24.99.
Come on my friends, time to crap or get off of the pot.
May 19: Sarah Palin's book deal and the silence that it buys. UPDATE!
A number of you have asked what I thought of the latest post over at Syrin's Blog.
Well what I think is that she may very well be right. I even hinted at this possibility last Friday.
I have heard from a variety of sources that Palin was paying off the Johnston family, and than from a few other sources I heard rumors that the money was going to come from this brand new book deal. At this point these can only be categorized as rumors since I have not yet been able to corroborate them.
I also need to point out that I have another source close to the Johnston's who categorically denies this is the case. However that source has proven elusive for the last few days and I have not been able to pin them down for an interview about this new information.
A few weeks ago I also managed to conduct an interview with a member of the Johnston family (Don't bother guessing because I am not ready to go public with that person's identity yet), and during that interview I learned some interesting information and also used the opportunity to make the point that time was not on their side and they needed to move ahead with any book deal or revelation before somebody else scooped them on their own story. Since that conversation there has been a LOT of buzz coming from the Valley which confirms that I was correct in my prediction.
For those waiting for the metaphorical "iceberg" I am going to break one of my own rules and confess that this was the week that everything was to come out. I made a promise to wait, and wait I have. But if I am unable to get the final pieces of this puzzle, like I was promised for this week, than I am going to have to go forward with what I have and hope that it will cause others to speak out as well.
This is not how I want to do this since I did make promises and I NEVER break a promise, but that is also contingent on others keeping their part of the bargain.
By the way I am not the only one who has this information and will not be the only blogger making posts about this scandal. Sarah Palin may think she can buy or bully the truth, but she is sadly misinformed. It has been my goal all along to find and reveal the truth, and that is exactly what I and my friends intend to do.
Last installment (sorry so long!):
Update: Okay I just received word from another one of my sources, who is very much in the know, who denies outright that the Johnston's have received any money from Sarah, or are GOING to receive any money from Sarah.
I am trying to set up a meeting to get the whole rundown and then I will hopefully have something concrete to share about this issue. And I also hope to hear pretty soon from my other source about the bigger story.
If you find yourself confused by all of the conflicting stories and contradictory information than all I can say is, "Welcome to my life!"
May 22: "A two year business school? So much for raising the bar of education for the Palin family. You know they DO offer correspondence courses for college as well. What else is Bristol going to be able to do while raising her child (or children. I am still checking that out)?"
Anon, thanks a lot! Good work!! It's very helpful to have an overview. I am proud that we have such active readers! :-)
That is a wonderful timeline of Gryphen's comments. Congratulations to whoever did this!
This comment stands out to me from the excerpts of IM above:
"On a CNN comments page:
"Wasilla Cowgirl May 8th, 2009 6:14 pm ETIf the MSM would seriously investigate, they would find there is more to this. SP is doing preDamage control (Bristol too) before the truth comes out about Bristols first baby. Hint-this is the 2nd and it's a sad, sordid story."
Thanks to Hannah and all with the links to the pictures. Good point, Hannah, about Mercede having nothing to hide at that point. I didn't think about that.
To me, the baby in the Mercede pictures does not look like the same baby as the official Trig birth picture. Not just the size, but the eyes and lips look different.
How's about T1 is really Sarah's but was born earlier? Was prem, not expected to live, then did live? What info do we have about her movements say two months earlier? I don't have the details but someone will know.
And the reason for saying nothing at the time could be inconvenient timing (Todd on the North Slope at conception) or not wanting to claim a DS baby who was going to die anyway, or simply being in denial? And the sudden "pregnancy" would be to explain the arrival of a baby she was originally hoping to avoid.
Doesn't explain the urgency of the wild ride, but IMO that was just a whack statement by Chuck that Sarah ran with because it made her look tough, and once it started she couldn't stop.
Doesn't explain Bristol's seclusion (she may have had unrelated issues of her own) but it sorta fits with Gryphen's claim.
I have considered that Palin actually gave birth to Trigg, albeit more prematurely than she claims. Perhaps she tried for a fundie abortion or was in severe denial or just didn't care. For example, she could have been starving the fetus, which would explain why she didn't look pregnant earlier (I'm not talking about the obvious fake 7 month baby bump but why no one knew she was pregnant at 4 or five months, which would not be likely for a woman having her fifth pregnancy). Maybe she engaged in other behaviors that were dangerous to her fetus or ignored warnings from her doctor or maybe she didn't even see a doctor at all.
Of course, the chances of her actually having a baby before she said she did and nobody finding out is pretty slim, but there seems to be lots of ways to keep secrets up there in Alaska.
This does not mean that Bristol wasn't pregnant and was forced into an abortion or adoption.
What if…Bristol had Trig in mid-January 2008 and abandoned him (with Sarah’s approval) because he was a messed up DS baby? He wasn’t “perfect”. (Not to mention that ick factor that Track is the father, in my very strongest opinion.)
Afterward Bristol went merrily skipping about her business, going to basketball games in approximately late January/early February as “Misty” had told Audrey, then she was in that accident on 2-8-08 where no one notices if she is pregnant or not; next is the mysterious AHA and Iron Dog weekend of 2-15-08 and the strange travel authorizations for that weekend (2 different flights for Willow from Juneau on the same day, different days when flights were booked, and Piper driving back with friends from Fairbanks to Wasilla, a nearly 7 hour car trip);
What if…Bristol would be prosecuted because the Safe Haven law was not in effect at that time. Remember, Sarah is a ditz. Sarah may have thought it would be ok since the bill was signed on 2-11-08, but then learned it would not take effect until 5-11-08 (her mid-May “due date”). Sarah could not let anyone know she had allowed her daughter to abandon her baby, but could not take Trig back as Bristol’s baby because Bristol had already made her appearance with no baby. And…
What if…Sarah began consistently wearing scarves beginning 2-19-08 and was actually hiding her scheme from Bristol? The only way to protect Bristol from an embarrassing criminal prosecution (and Sarah losing ALL pro-family credibility!) would be to take Trig back. It would be too obvious to outright adopt him on the up and up. And Sarah must have watched the 2007 episodes of Desperate Housewives with the fake pregnancy. Voila! Another plagiaristic idea is born! She waits until McCain wins the nomination to make the final decision – she absolutely cannot let anyone know that she let Bristol abandon that baby if she is to keep her rabid pro-family “base” support.
Does anyone know how Bristol felt when her mother announced her “pregnancy” with Trig?
I used to believe they were just hiding Bristol from little Piper’s sight, but I am beginning to think maybe Sarah was hiding from Bristol’s sight.
All these theories are just plain insane in the membrane. Everyone's just spinning the most ludicrous stuff they can think up. Wow.
Everyone take a breath and wait for more info.
Wait, I just noticed something: Does this blog ask for donations? If not, why not? How does it support itself?
Most of the other Trig Truthers are getting paid or trying to make a buck off Sista Sarah.
Not knocking it, just wondering.
Sarah shut up??? Not likely. The woman is so in love with the sounds of her own yammering, nonsensical mouth, even after she's dead it will probably continue to have verbal diarrhea for all of eternity.
PCGrandma--Very interesting. You are sure looking into the background and trying to make sense of all the events of that time frame. I'm going to research who sponsored the Safe Haven Law. A Legislator friendly to SP would be interesting.
I love the group effort!
PCG @ 15:02 YES, YES-- Safe Haven Law, Stillborn Birth Certificate Law--- all very curious- Especially since SP rarely paid serious attention to many other important issues in Alaska. Why was she so interested in these laws?
But what did you mean by suggesting that "Sarah was hiding from Bristol's sight?"
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It seems to me that there is too much focus on "what Levi said" and not enough focus on actual events that are undisputable. Levi is in the middle of a complex bargaining game. Most of what he says publically is really a sort of veiled message to SP. Don't forget, his mother is in jail, he is trying to protect her. He is trying to push back against SP and her enforcers. His goals are not the same as ours, they only intersect at certain points. He is neither a hero nor a villian, only a young man mixed up in something that is daunting.
Moreover, I think it would be good to first and foremost try to simply DISPROVE that SP was preggers in 2008 / i.e. to prove that she did not give birth to Trig on 4/18/08. Looking for the true bioparents of the child currently called Trig can get us into quicksand.
One question the interviewers never seem to ask Levi is WHY Todd and Sarah don't like him. There is no reason I can see for it.
Prochoicegrandma - Why do you think Track is the father?
Also, I really don't think it is feasible for Bristol to have a live preemie baby and for Sarah to have the power to have her told it is dead.
But I am very intrigued by the two eyewitnesses to a tiny Trig in end of July vs the large baby at the RNC. Yes, I do think it is time for a post here with pictures exploring Trig's pictures, and it would be great if someone found some pictures of those fake baby dolls so we could see how realistic they are.
http://www.reborn-baby.com/
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